NC, the MIN of the previous 24 hours temps. NC, this should be the MAX of the previous 24 hours ‘noised’ temperature. The 4pm data shows TOBS is about 0.5degC higher than midnight but the interesting thing is the correction can be so different month to month.I also suspect that each site can have significant changes so that a simple “correction” shouldn’t be done. out for validation. Thus, high maxes tend to get double counted. Another way to look at the impact of time of observation changes is to use the “perfect” Climate Reference Network (CRN) hourly data to see exactly what would happen if observation times were systemically changed from afternoon to morning. The maximum temperature thermometer was a mercury-in-glass device with a restriction above the bulb which allowed mercury to rise above the restriction as temperatures rose, but inhibited the mercury column from falling so that the mercury in the column was always stuck at the highest temperature of the recording period. It’s already quite complete enough. Read the min/max in another at 7AM ( and reset). (is there anywhere that temps are incredibly stable day and night? 6pm -0.11 0.14 0.43 0.34 0.32 0.28 0.33 0.35 0.11 0.30 0.25 0.20 0.42 0.34 13.88 13.83 But this is not the place. Free the code is my watchword no matter what the outcome. What means TOBS, SHAP, FILNET ? 8pm -0.13 0.13 0.18 0.20 0.07 0.17 0.22 0.18 0.08 0.19 0.14 0.13 0.20 0.15 13.75 13.69. Either way, relatively warm days get double counted, and their cooler neighbors undercounted, creating an upward bias. Proper management of high/low readings must be designed to avoid incorrect outcomes. If you flip a fair coin 100 times, do you believe that you will * What are some good statistical methods for addressing sparse data? 4:00 51.45 5 PM 0.64 C 1.15 F For example, say that today is unusually warm, and that the temperature drops, say, 10 degrees F tomorrow. Period. column. the 1600, 1700, 1800, and 1900 observations are less than that day’s In short, I do not believe that Karl and NOAA have presented a convincing case that systematic changes in TOB over the past 80 years require the kind of substantial adjustment they apply. Since the mins are not affected, this makes the average mean temperature about 1/12 = .08 degree too low, using these hypothetical numbers. higher than the day’s max, it replaces that max; if that temp at At first glance, it would seem that the time of observation wouldn’t matter at all. the boundary between consecutive time periods, whether you prefer that Sorry, I’ll have to come back to this later. new analysis using CRN data which is hourly.”. Further you can go download some CRN data.. in 5 minute increments Do it the right way. In 2000, there are binges of entire months missing, and the last daily reading is on 1/30/01. I’ll do it using my expected value approach. Since then many like Delaware have probably regressed toward the mean, so that the sample may have been falling off noticeably in the past few years. This reduces the influence of instrumentation error except for MMTS. Dictionary entry details • NOAA (noun) Sense 1. Select August 1991 that 1991-08. You’d have to do something like a TOBS adjustment for this, but intuitively it seems to me that it would only increase the range a little. his time of Observation. A class 5 site can see a micro site bias of 5C. We find that the trends in the unadjusted temperature records are not different from the trends of the independent satellite-based lower-tropospheric temperature record or from the trend of the balloon-based near-surface measurements. We can randomize the days, do whatever you like. You’ve woken up some very old analysis I used to know by heart ;)… I do need to find that paper! Take two readings in a day and they determine what you know about temperature for that day. It creeps up. I hope my brain doesn’t burn out along the way! 1 3 100 100 0, 2 0 25 25 25 The figure below shows the four major adjustments (including quality control) performed on USHCN data, and their respective effect on the resulting mean temperatures. Here is an example. might have expected. interpreted. Instead, we can use the summarize function. Enter to the nearest whole degree. IF you start collecting temps at Midnight and then SHIFT to 7AM you will induce a shift in both Here along the Front Range of Colorado, and in many other places, such effects can’t be avoided. Okay, I’m obviously not so good at this. Your examples would not get past the 14:00 52.10 : a. the moment recorded belongs to only one period.”. I mentioned this once before, but the logical way to check TOBS is through a new analysis using CRN data which is hourly. that they might be erroneous data entries. Unlike Mann and hansen and others I would This may seem off topic for a TOB discussion, but increased daytime warming and increased nighttime cooling would tend to increase TOB due to increased diurnal range. Sometimes they let the min temp stand and cross out the temp at observation; and sometimes they change the min temp to what it was at time of observation. (They do… etc etc etc). And that’s all in an idealized, perfect sensor world! I just tried it for the first time, and we shall see if it works. Gunship crews spend a lot of time “looking at tops of clouds … [thinking], ‘I wish the weather would clear. Silly me. If the either temp at measurement time is outside of “Yes, if the daily high/low observation is recorded and reset at the 2: 10 It is slightly larger than the ~0.3 C TOBs adjustments made to USHCN data (shown back in Figure 2) for two reasons: first, the percent of stations shifting from afternoon to morning is slightly higher in my synthetic CRN data than what actually occurred in USHCN; second, not all observers actually record at 7 AM and 5 PM (they tend to range from 7-9 AM and 5-7 PM, and later morning and afternoon readings result in slightly less bias as shown in figure 4). We’re dealing with a subtle boundary condition that’s best understood under simplified conditions. (i.e., we may be in the middle of a major heating/cooling trend and cannot really tell what is going on. The bias in TOB is only relative to the convention of determining average temperature as the mean of min and max temperatures over the 24 hours prior to midnight. temperature patterns, and whatever speculations may be based thereon. If so, then please explain your statement, and the algorithm that implements it: As I read this, you are saying the moment at the end of the first time period is identical to the moment at the beginning of the second time period. Now scroll down and look at day 17 and 18. over 5 F, then 3 F, and then 2 F, and after each successive flattening, one must include the 24 hour old measurements. And, we have no basis to make use of measurements from the day before or after any given day, to modify that day’s high or low temperature. I believe I’ve set a baseline for what an unbiased (no TOB issues) analysis of point measurements would look like. The tempeature at the moment between two consecutive time periods is the I assumed that such a device was possible (human ingenuity, and an understanding that observors in the 19th and 20th century would want to do a good job of recording max and min). be unacceptable among some practioners of “climate change science”. It didn’t use mercury because in cold locations the mercury could actually freeze in the glass. In temperate latitudes there is a symmetrical seasonal effect in TOB. Or second details? query (Measurement. My suggestion for removing the TOB problem is to just use data collected automatically to determine the temperature anomaly and see what trend there is and then statistically graft that on to the manually collected record (as per the Hockeystick). You bring up another important area: determining what time the thermometers were actually read and reset. Here’s the link. The timer needs me to provide a general sense of our latitude, and to preset the time of day. Jan 1 2007: 24 samples, 10 degrees. Suppose that every day in July the low is 50 at 2AM, the 7AM temp is 60, the high is 80 at 2PM, and the 5PM temp is 70. I guess my sense is that it’s better to maintain data integrity as long as possible in the analysis “path”, rather than fudge data. – Late 1910s into early 1920s Similarly, if you observe the temperature in the early morning, you end up occasionally double counting low temperatures. 9 Yrs 50.71 -0.47 -0.19 0.12 0.39 1.62 1.26 0.89 0.64 0.48 0.34 One spike greater than 20 F removed This is incorrect. 2 instances of 11 occurrences The thermometer was mounted on a pivot oriented on a horizontal axis with the instrument tilted slightly with the bulb end down. TOB adjustment is based, is not unreasonable after all. See more. That’s true. TOBS is listed in the World's largest and most authoritative dictionary database of abbreviations and acronyms TOBS - What does TOBS … Rainy days cut the effect Then, take a set of such plots, one per station, and overlay them. If each time the time of observation, or the site is relocated or the instrumentation is changed, the site was treated as a new site instead of trying to micro manage the data to one uniform continuous site? Steve M is correct: missing data is a huge subject. In some Arab countries, noon was defined by law as when the sun was overhead. It is clear that the shift from afternoon to morning observations in the United States introduced a large cooling bias of about 0.3 C in raw U.S. temperatures. (Talk about AGW! So here’s the deal. So if you look at the last table for 3.49 Sigma, you will see this. I think I should be thanking you for that, Jerry… this was one of the more enjoyable portions of a past life :-D], We need to adjust our thinking to recognize the underlying grid. Jan 1 hi/lo/avg = 10/10/10 The total trend in the adjustment since then is about 0.3C, a large proportion of the warming that is supposed to have occurred over that period. Period 3 hi/lo/avg = 30/10/20 But what about hot days? 9am 0.22 -0.10 0.14 0.12 0.03 0.01 0.10 0.22 -0.14 0.11 -0.01 0.10 -0.01 0.11 13.64 13.58 August will lose its last day to September, and so forth, so that September, Oct., Nov., and Dec. will all be a little too high. Numbers of hourly observations of current 24 hour max temperature in 24 2 3 25 75 25, 3 0 0 0 0 11:00 51.51 Perhaps your moments are much, much, larger than mine, but temperatures But all in all it’s the same problem. But I hope that some of the above examples can be checked and audited by others more clever than I am. TOB does occur in automated recording systems because the MMTS systems do not reset themselves using their own clock (at midnight). Rounds up 5/9 of the time (5,6,7,8,9) and down 4/9 of the time (1,2,3,4). less elegant than his approach. So worst case you need to discard one or two days samples when you make such a shift. The old Stephenson screens were supposed to be whitewashed or painted periodically to eliminate a trend in their reflectivity. I tried to raise this issue last month on the “Second Look” thread (#2069), at #101, but no one took notice, as other events were popping at that time. Global temperatures are adjusted to account for the effects of station moves, instrument changes, time of observation (TOBs) changes, and other factors (referred to as inhomogenities) that cause localized non-climatic biases in the instrumental record. JerryB Simulated the behavior of an observer following the guidelines. Some stations had recording thermometers, but they were generally not used for climate data. This makes the average max for the year about 1/6 degree too low, rather than too high. 2 2 75 75 25 Likewise, if you have 10 stations are 4 are 20% missing for the month, you should remember that you have only 9.2 actual stations that month. Have a look at ATMOZ site ( just google ATMOZ) he’s starting to look at TOBS stuff, has some questions, may have found a couple interesting things. afternoon’s corresponging observations. simply from curiosity, but did not attempt to quantify their effects on The ASOS and I think the Nimbus sites that have hourly and the new CRN has hourly. Jerry’s method gives an average January temperature of anywhere from 155 to 165 degrees, depending on the order and sequence of the daily temperatures. I don’t think so, not if the “siting” issue is natural and impacts the region of interest. One cannot simply remove the grid and presume to obtain correct results in infinite precision real number space. 5. And the hard part to understand, is that we cannot simply switch from a discrete data set containing measurements at specific times, and convert to an assumed infinite-precision timeline linking those data values. Like the mercury thermometer it was a liquid-in-glass instrument, but without a constriction above the bulb. Mrpete, you suggest a methodology that has much to reccommend it. I would hope that any future station surveys would include similar close-up photos of the MMTS sensor in order to see how pervasive this blackening problem is. The Karl method of estimating TOB has a significant error and is intended to adjust monthly data. How fast did the old mercury devices change for transients? No one has demonstrated any issue in actual data with TOBS adjustments that has anything To include the 24 hour old measurement in the current “day”, then the current measurement should be reserved as the beginning of the next day. No basis, for example, to suggest any slope or curve shape to the period between measurements. Show that trace. I’ll stick with 24 hour days. This is similar to the process that NOAA/NCDC use to calculate U.S. temperatures. one must include the 24 hour old measurements. 2: 20 Midnight readings are irrelevant. Discrete measurements are points on a grid. They’re using the old round-half-up method. The method of estimation should work correctly anywhere, yes? Readings that are taken in the late afternoon have the highest yearly average while those taken in the early mornings have the lowest. How fast are thermocouple devices designed to respond or smooth? I respectfully disagree that it is correct to incorporate 25 measurements into the high/low of a 24 hour day. lower than the first two of them. By my calculation, the period one hi/lo/avg is 10/10/10, period two hi/lo/avg is 20/20/20, and for #3, 30/30/30. Sorry, that would mean saying bad things about NASA GISS, and you definately aren’t going to do that, are you? Figure 6. he writes down 26 and sends that data in…. on the barbie mate. I have assumed that some mechanism finds min and max during the 24 hour time frame… Can someone explain the physical mechanism of the measurement…? route ("/api/v1.0/tobs") def tobs (): """Return a list of all temperature observations for the previous year""" # Query all tobs values: results = session. This effects occurs because the peaks are not uniformly spaced at 24hr intervals. …, My method: The fact is that GISTEMP agrees well with the temperature trends from the best stations (CRN12R). The trend is almost identical between the two data sets. My take on what I’ve learned so far: 1) The published technique for TOB adjustments is not appropriate for climatic trend analysis, Karl et al themselves declare “The technique which we develop in this article is most appropriate when applied to means comprised of a series of years to estimate nonclimatic trends which are detrimental to spatial and temporal analyses of mean monthly maximum, minimum and mean temperature.”. Depending on what 24-hour periods you use, you can get some very interesting distortions of the data. Is anyone aware of TOBS “corrections” applied by the keepers of GISS to these time frames or other specific time frames? The thing nobody knows yet is how these written records get input. Yes, the details are a bit minute, but that’s because sometimes the minute details are crucial to correct calculations ;). Those 318 stations showed the identical pattern as all the other stations. With no other knowledge about the periods, we have no basis to inject additional information. etc This is shown in Figure 5, and results in a time of observation shift quite similar to that of the USCRN shown in Figure 1, albeit over a 5 year period rather than a 50-year period. Here are the 24 hr min/max average from Tyson Field (Knoxville TN)by month for several years for 0600, 1800, and 2400. I see problems when normalising the data from urban to rural stations or vice versa up to 1000 km away. The TOBS adjustment comes into play when 1 station changes it TOBS throughout its history. Weather Information Applications Branch: WMO: World Meteorological Organization: WOU: Watch Outline Update: WPC: Weather Prediction Center (formerly HPC) WPDN: Wind Profiler Demonstration Network: WR: Western Region: WSFO: Weather Service Forecast Office: WSO: Weather Service Office: WSR-88D: Weather Surveillance Radar 1988, Doppler: WSW This makes a big difference for how the gap should be interpolated. 4) If the 24 hr low is uniquely found at TOB, yesterday or today, we throw out today’s low observation. What we should be seeing is a steady reduction in TOB to zero, rather than the steady increase we do see. Jan 1 hi/lo/avg = 10/0/5 i.e., two troughs (or peaks) end up in the same interval. […] what Judith Curry might describe as a “wicked problem”. about what my method, or algorithm, or calculation, would do with your Change the TOBS to 7AM at year 4.5. – Toss all readings that are invalid, I found a TOBS event on the first page I looked at, http://www7.ncdc.noaa.gov/IPS/getcoopstates.html. The temperature persists through To make matters worse they record and round TMIN and TMAX. Here we go again. Oh my God, is this turning into an RC-style discussion? Sort of (but not completely) answers my questions. Actually, come to think of it, it’s not just RC. Jan 2 hi/lo/avg = 20/20/20 With a sine wave, we know the shape of the missing data and can easily fill in. I see TOB being a further potential worry when daylight saving chages, coincidental with the thermometer reading being done by custom within an hour of max or min for a day. You get a late sunrise. Also, while the operator made the change on the 18th, the I think this result (if it is replicated elsewhere in the world) says quite a bit about what could be causing the temperature changes. click next. On surveying the Circleville, OH station for Surfacestations.org last month, I noticed that the MMTS was coated with black soil buildup that must surely be raising its temperature from when it was installed. consectutive days. I quickly tossed one idea because it seemed to leave too much missing data to be acceptable. Green line shows the data with a lowers smoother applied. Anthony Watts has validly called attention to the fact that modern TiO2 latex paint has different heat properties than the old CaCO3-based whitewash. Hu, while I agree that the TOB phenomena is real, and has potential to bias surface temperature measurements, I am unconvinced that NOAA’s execution of the adjustment for TOBS is either reasonable or accurate. error does not invalidate that recognition. To me, that moment is ONLY part of 2007. temperature as the 24 hour old 24 hour max: 3314, just under once per 1514 months since 1880. Four values, six hours each. MarkR, I was comparing CRN12R to CRN5 using my own analysis. I found the midpoints for each pair. Unfortunately, I may have crammed too much stuff into that two TOBs is a phenomenon concerning the time of day at which measurements are taken, whereby some maximum or minimum temperatures are not recorded; instead, a faulty, but always high (for maxima) or low (for minima), value is recorded from the ‘detritus’ of a more extreme value the previous day. C! 19:00 52.69 midnight 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.59 13.54 Thanks! JohnV and I are engineers. Daily highs typically fall in mid-afternoon; TO (Time of Observation) seems unlikely to affect the high, ever, for morning, evening or midnight observation times. If the time of observation changes, thermometer breaks etc. However, it appears it’s not and the Tobs is estimated, bizarely IMO to save a small amount of money. By the way, glad you got round to naming the databases. Until the late 1950s the majority of stations in the U.S. record recorded temperatures in the late afternoon, generally between 5 and 7 PM. And the “horizontal” axis is typically “snapped” to hours. This suggests that estimates of TOB from a general model will be most appropriate when applied to a mean derived from a series of years… The technique which we develop in this article is most appropriate when applied to means comprised of a series of years to estimate nonclimatic trends. My question about TOB was if it was a part of the data for certain years, While some commenters have hyperbolically referred to temperature adjustments as “the biggest science scandal ever”, the reality is far more mundane. 2185 instances of 3 occurrences It cannot be in both. I really have absolutely no idea what either of you are even talking about. It simply introduces the potential for error in analysis. is supposed to “homogenize” the records by statistically detecting probable unrecorded events, and removing their effects. The difference between the MrPete and JerryB algorithms for determining high/low/average helps explain how TOB becomes a problem. It would matter were the recorded Tobs used to determine TOB. Re #82, there’s no such thing as “the temperature at the moment between two consecutive time periods”. This is attributed to the preponderance of AM observation times falling between 6 AM and 9 AM, and PM observation times falling between 4 PM and 7 PM. Perhaps I’ve missed it, but follow with me for a moment. This raises a few questions for me. SHAP = … That gives us a solid defensible case. 1pm 0.06 -0.03 0.48 0.27 0.13 0.24 0.69 0.59 0.32 0.60 0.24 0.27 0.37 0.20 13.93 13.89 The TOBS adjustments and NCDC US temperature graphs showing warming are 100% fraudulent. then a lot of the errors in the temperature reconstruction method either fall out or cancel (not all of them). f(t)*sin(2*pi*t/24) where the sin function represents a predictable daily solar variation and f(t) denotes other climactic variation. It’s stuff like this that drives me crazy. What I have NEVER seen is a corelation between averages derived day after day from an hourly machine, versus the simple average of Tmax and Tmin each day, as we commonly use now. Yes, the temperature persists. (The Nimbus records every 16 seconds, and reports the high, low and time of high/low within each 24 hour period! I realize this is not easy to grasp. And wherever that grid point is, lies inside only one “box.”. Karl said the error was around 25% of the estimated adjustment. During this period there would have been a changeover from mostly manual recording (where TOB can occur) to mostly automated recording (where TOB cannot occur). The only explanation is increasing minimums are caused by increasing daytime warming and therefore unchanged nighttime temperatures result from increased nighttime cooling. 79 to create the model 28 held One measures extreme temperatures, the other has the capacity to approximate heat flow. The But if on July 15, say, a 5 PM observer switches to 7AM, since the thermometers (or MMTS)were reset the previous 5PM (when the temperature was 70), the reported high/low for July 15 will be 70/50 instead of 80/50, a big difference! Cloudy days cut the effect I will specify that my example is for a planet with one hour per day, one day per month, and one month per year. 10 instances of 9 occurrences 7am -0.10 -0.37 -0.09 -0.26 -0.31 -0.42 -0.48 -0.14 -0.42 -0.16 -0.13 -0.34 -0.21 -0.16 13.32 13.26 988 instances of 4 occurrences And T2006e is a separate measurement from T2007b, not identical to T2007b.). I could say lots of bad things about GISTEMP, but many others are taking care of that. However, volunteer temperature observers were also asked to take precipitation measurements from rain gauges, and starting around 1960 the U.S. The bias in TMEAN will be 2.5C A great shortcoming of how history is taught is the omission why and how events occurred as precipitates of weather (pun intended) A great shortcoming of climate studies is the omission of the accurate history of weather. or do you think the coin is biased? Let me explain why. … day to the next, and common, ordinary, differences of low temperatures Try 1,840,000 station/months, give or take a few thousand. No matter what time of day the observations are made, if they are consistent for a given station, the observer is always recording the high and low temp for the previous 24 hours. The net effect of adjustments to correct for time of observation changes is shown in Figue 2. ), “OK, now let’s specify that a bit more completely.”. I looked at all possible different 24 hour periods (midnight to midnight, 1 AM to 1 AM, etc. RE 70. lastly ;level with the first row of your 24 hours max and min columns copy the time of day column across. In effect I have emulated their procedures, but I do not recall if I knew Does anyone know whether Jonathan’s findings extend to other locations eg the US? Jonathan’s analysis is persuasive that over the last 50 years daytime warming has increased, but so has nighttime cooling by an approximately equal amount. some of the data. Weather definition, the state of the atmosphere with respect to wind, temperature, cloudiness, moisture, pressure, etc. However, when times of observation are other than A plot of temperatures taken every minute can produce a skinny curve or a fat one depending on how long the heat hung round before a cool breeze set in – but sill give the same Tmax and Tmin as before. hour periods.)”. About 9pm or 9am would minimize the amount of double counting. Because those branches allow you to period, it went back and counted how often that temperature occurred in temperature at the end of the first time period, and it is also the 2) The day of a time of observation shift, data is invalidated. Thus, the summary charts for the maximum in Figure 8 of Karl et al tend to have a low plateau from around 9pm to 10am Local Standard Time, with a big spike between 10am and 9pm, with seasonal variations. What you suggest does not, even approximately, take account of TOB. , We seem to have some actually independent replication going on here. With a temperature difference of 2.9C, this is typical of the other sites, suggesting that any bias from TOBS is minor. Thanks for that reference, Steven! 1. Varying reset times will read the min/max at Midnight in one ( and reset) pairs would be sufficient for a 24 hour period. To get the tempeature a guy has to walk out and write down the MIN hour periods ending at 36167 hypothetical 24 hour periods of observation: 3 instances of 14 occurrences It isn’t difficult to expand the simple example. HEY, sometimes you get 4 of a kind. Well he is, I was. The temperature at the beginning of the second time period, T2007b. 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