― Kris, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Lord Custos 2.0 beta, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, How could anything be better than the Bible? Ultradisk version of Kix's Hot Wire; The killer Because of this disgust for needless cruft and circumlocution, Punk songs contain more "open space" and less length. I'm lazy as hell. With the exception of Ozzy Osbourne, Robert Plant and Axl Rose (and Roger Daltrey and Freddy Mercury if you consider them to be Metal enough) all the Metalhead Frontmen are generally same-old same-old. Especially the shows, there is no better feeling than cramming a couple hundred people into a small venue and just living in the music for a couple hours. All tension, no release. kris, to go back to my lyrics question, then, are lyrics completely The Patti Smith Group are revered as genuine artists. On a certain level, the only thing that makes these bands "metal" at all is their song titles and their record labels, correct? I would say Metal only got *really* interesting once it had shed its blues/rock 'n roll legacy and started going into atonal/anti-aesthetic nomansland (ie, the developments in the past 15, 20 years), coupled with the abandoning of the "fun" factor in metal. i also am in awe of the information bulk on this thread. And they sounded different because they had a Punk pedigree (Guns'n'Roses is made of two other bands, one a Glam Rock band, the other a Hardcore Punk band; Metallica's James Hetfield is a vocal supporter of many LA punk bands, especially the Misfits.) can't remember what the punks were saying. Enjoy the high speeds, the drifting, and the crashes! By continuing, you agree to Quizony's Privacy Policy and Cookie use. Punk vs. Metal. Heavy Metal vs Punk. And would sooner give up their guitarist than their bassist. Punk is garage rockabilly played by anarchists (but with a Rasta Reggae tinge to the bass). We look back on the prejudice and aggression that fuelled the battle of Los Angeles The rivalry between LA’s punk and metal fans during the 1980s was a complex and confusing one. The entire New Wave pop movement grew in the ashes of the Punk. instrumental complexity) or culturally (crustier looking, artsier Its roots can be traced to earlier punk scenes in San Francisco and Southern California which arose as a reaction against the still predominant hippie cultural climate of the time. New wave is a music genre that encompasses numerous pop-oriented styles from the late 1970s and the 1980s. In the early 80s, LA’s rock scene was split – on one side were the punks, and on the other the metalheads. Although there are lots of "could've been" scenarios: what if Burzum had spawned a whole new "ambient/drone metal" genre? "; Punkers are more even-handed with women. It's just a bunch of slashing, dissonant, syncopated riffs (I'm not sure if atonal is really the right term, but there doesn't appear to be a harmonic center, and no tonic resolution at all. Punk and metal have always had a weird, sometimes difficult relationship. ** all the groundbreaking European Pop of the Late-80s (U2, The Cure, And Guns 'n Roses a Metal band? Are they into RIO or U Totem-style prog bands? Hence, rather than warping Muddy Waters riffs into uncomfortable shapes, the Punkers stuck to the "Chuck Berry Chords". recent metal than I could have found out on my own, and for that Punk is more often political with sharper commentary that Metal. June 9, 2011 5.0 out of 5 stars 1 rating. inhabits a parallel universe. Yes Sometimes. Both should not be too hard to find...a nice review of "Obscura" here. actually write songs with no tonal centre? intriguing because I don't think I've ever heard a totally atonal The differences between the two style might be difficult to explain sometimes, but they are still blindingly obvious even from a cursory listen by someone with no training as a musician. Intermediate Metal 1 Track. Ick! I can't think of any Punker who tries the operatic shriek, and I've never heard any Metalheads mumble all the lyrics in a monotone. "Why don't you Metalhead dweebs level 2. Siegbran, it seems as though the move towards atonality and manic syncopation in metal reached its peak (in different ways) with Cryptopsy "None So Vile" and Gorguts "Obscura", but even the last Gorguts album seemed to back off a bit from what "Obscura" implied, and I haven't followed much contemporary death metal. What makes them metal? I'm glad they got rid of the 80s poodle rockers, but if we get Lv 5. This test is not based on any scientific study whatsoever. ); Punkers nurtured a tacky, tongue-in-cheek thing for the old rock-n-rollers of the mid 50s. ), sorry. It's one of those "what next?" Rock vs Punk vs New Wave Rock is a very popular music genre that evolved from rock and roll music during the 50’s in America and slowly spread … Charlie Parra del Riego. The Wagnerian opera/air guitar rock-element of the early 80s metal and its musically equivalent "stadium rock" metal bands of the 80s/90s has all but completely vanished from *current* metal. Graveland "Thousand Swords", "Following The Voice Of Blood" or "Immortal Pride". RFI re "atonality" in modern non-mainstream metal. Difficult to say, indeed. Which created a lot of laughably pretentious people...but very few decent poets. Charlie Parra Punk vs Metal. On their latest album they've got this huge spectacle piece "Farewell" (for the downloaders, 6:58) where they wheel everything out but the kitchen sink, choirs and all, HUGE thundering production - with the guitars somewhere in the back as a wall of background distortion. Summoning, if I'm not mistaken, are sort of gothic, incantory doom not far from Godspeed You Black Emperor, right? Perhaps you're a hybrid? Too drunk But, believe you me, theres as much distance between Metal and Punk as there is between Metal and Country and Western. Average Punk song length: 2'10" in length. Tracks to download: "Thurisaz", "Sons Of Fire And Steel", "Thousand Swords". And that was four, five years ago. different parts of these songs. Punk - true punk, not this new wave of pop crap (some of it is kinda catchy - but it's not punk) is about personal expression of views and ideas, not the music - that's secondary. And thrash metal is a mix of British heavy metal and hardcore punk. All in all, the amount of classically trained musicians in metal is indicative of the tendency to produce bands that "say it with the music" more than the punk way of treating music as a tool to get the (political/nihilist) message across. What was the show More evidence that Custos BIRTH OF MONSTERS www.facebook.com/BOMpunkband. And I don't even _like_ metal (in general). probably on some level analogous to Oi, except far less this? confessed to numerous "Heavy Metal" inspired slayings. i am intrigued by what sounds like a pretty One accurate version. Do what Siegbran suggested earlier and download "The Carnal State" by Gorguts. how does all the 'nu skool' punk (pennywise, nofx, fat wreckchords, stories. On a certain level, the only thing that makes these bands "metal" at all is their song titles and their record labels, correct? ); Punkers chant, mutter or bark accusations. irrelevant to most fans of death metal then? Another thing Metal took from Punk. There are death Its all greasy guys yelling about Satan and how much money they have....", OK, who's going to be the first to bring up Motorhead? Death, Discordance Axis, Agathocles, Creation is Crucifixion) but for traditional vocals. This also opened up another great renaissance in sonic experimentation. syncopated structure of death metal, there really isn't much room songs are about specific experiences and states of being. nameless darkness in their songs. Well, I don't think completely abandoning "fun" as a goal is a wise The metal either structurally (shorter songs, much less emphasis on Punk Vs. Metal Tab by Charlie Parra Del Riego with free online tab player. between the lyrics and the clearly-well-planned music? i am The vocal conventions of the genre were put in place by Death, Morbid Angel, Cannibal Corpse, in the late 80's and haven't changed much since. Me. So, Sabbath all the way. HOWEVER, I cannot stand the Ramones. (sorry, I Well, not exactly. nation has always been a strange one, with its own rules; the In this game you can test them all. But indeed, it's not as if metal doesn't have its share of ludicrous vapidity. The infamous 'Son of Chuck' was situations. It is generally faster, harder, and more aggressive than other forms of punk rock. Its also a clash of cultures. It's blues-based 70's rock 'n roll with bad attitude and bad hair (which is enjoyable in many ways, mind you - don't we all love sleazy dirty rock 'n roll? massive gap in the amount of care/craft/whatever that goes into the Why does your analysis of metal stop in 1984? the adults don't, etc. Punk metal fuses elements of heavy metal music with punk rock. Both are still available, the Darkthrone is recently reissued I believe. where the jocks and the freaks were fighting "punk is junk! ), not to mention Sick of it All, and later Metal bands like Entombed went punk, Machine Head plundered the 80s thrash riffs in 1994, bands like Slipknot redid Pantera's trick again, this time adding late 80s Death Metal tempi into their mix of Pantera/Machine Head hardcore-based moshcore. Short captured last night after beating a hippee to death with a Gold Where do you place the shedding of the blues legacy that took place after the speed/thrash wave of the early 80s - the move towards atonality and chromatic scales, syncopated riffs and tempi, the turn to classical and folk structures, themes and melodies instead of the established pentatonics and the classic verse-chorus-solo-verse rock structures, and the voice-as-distorted-instrument, developments that started with Slayer and Terrorizer, through Morbid Angel, Suffocation, Cryptopsy, Gorguts et al? Find out for sure with this quiz! Average Speed Metal song length: 7'11".) Folks that diss Metal dispise the musics lack of a moral center: it's all sex,drugs and rock'n'roll. What do you mean by this? And at the best of times, I think both succeded. anti-melodic (unlike progressive metal, some black metal, and piece of rock music. The only two truly useful Metal bands of the 80s (Metallica and Guns'n'Roses) were able to make their mark because they sounded different. Punk is for the same kids a few What Gorguts do in terms of atonality/dissonance is probably best explained by themselves - Guitar.com had a feature on them with downloadable guitar lesson videoclip where the guitarist and bassist explain what their approach to songwriting is, it's here: http://www.guitar.com/features/viewfeature.asp?featureID=2, Actually, the Gorguts feature on Guitar.com is. i know less while in punk rock, its amped up, fast, rock n roll. reason I thank them all. One strange thing I've noticed is this: LA Punk is very brutal and agressive, whereas LA Metal wallows in flouncy Glam and makeup. Punk withers by comparison. instrumentalists who are able to grunt along while playing their Punk vs Metal Question 2 out of 29 Do you always wear black? But the punk connection is obvious. From the acid addled Julian Cope to the menacingly bloozy Nick Cave. lookout) fit into all this? Renews automatically. Which is what probably saves metal from disappearing into its own pretentious arse a la progrock. ― John Darnielle, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― A Nairn, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link. dissonant chords? Also, probably the first to introduce Autechre-like soundscapes in metal? democratic (anyone can play in an Oi band, hardly anyone can _Obscura_. yeah. Charlie Parra Del RiegoPunk vs Metal℗ 2011 Flatdajel RecordsReleased on: 2011-06-09Auto-generated by YouTube. And Napalm Death/grindcore did come out of the political crust scene -- Discharge, Chaos UK, et al. go home and beat off over your copy of, "...and Take Yer Farrah Fawcett Hair With You, you blonde From there, they diverged into two forms with a significantly different fan base. I basically This created a lot of laughably pretentious double albums...but little good music. ― Dr. C, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Bluegerm, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Siegbran Hetteson, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― dave k, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link. Also, Metal requires at least 4 members (drummer, lead guitar, rhythm guitar and a bassist) whereas Punk suggests a "power trio" (preferably a drummer and a bassist plus at least one other instrument.) Rhythm of Cruelty: Musical Technique. here or there, maybe kicked someone in the crotch...but never actually. This also spotlights another important difference. The whole genre is certainly a punk/metal hybrid. I'd be interested what you think of it. But Punk gets labeled 'stark' or 'minimalist'. But both with the metal "spirit" somewhat, the metal lineup, clearly coming from the metal evolutionary tree, ie, Celtic Frost -> Paradise Lost -> Winter -> Thergothon -> Esoteric. Poll closed Jun 16, 2011. Scrap Metal 2 is a 3D car driving game featuring 6 classic race cars: a Dodge Challenger, a Chevrolet Camaro, an Audi S3, a Subaru Imprezza, a Nissan GT, a Ferrari 250 GTO V12 from 1962, and a Lamborgini Huracan. Do you mean more that they use a lot of I think part of the death/dismemberment Seems like the process of "abandoning the 'fun' factor" is well ― mark s, Saturday, 18 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Douglas, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Dario, Friday, 13 January 2006 14:08 (fifteen years ago) link, ― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 25 February 2007 17:47 (thirteen years ago) link, ― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 25 February 2007 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link, "Punk Rock? You can't put that Jamaican Skank into your sound with no bass, y'see. Somehow everything is really, really stagnated in metal in the last four, five years. think of it as a great lost no-wave album, like if Mars rocked a lot Something that struck me a few years ago: both metal and punk reject society (the whole rebel/outcast/don't wash/etc attitude), but express it differently. Theres a couple doctorate degrees floating around in there, too. 0 0. No to mention that the Slam/Mash pit started with Punk not Metal. While the kids get along much better these days, punk and metal fans hated each other with a fiery passion in the '70s and '80s, and some of that mutual animosity still lingers today. Siegbran I am floored and amazed... this is a whole universe of music Hence, Punk Rock is littered with witty showmen with great lyrics...and terrible singing voices or primitive guitar playing. Metal vs Punk. The fusion often involves extreme metal genres and hardcore punk . Perhaps the development of Metal is finally "complete" and it will get the status of jazz or folk or rock 'n roll or drum 'n bass, where the major innovations are already behind us and the genre is kept alive merely on behalf of "curators" rather than that it attracts innovators. has more than its fair share of high school drop-outs in the bands. So to summarize, many Punkers are bad or unexceptional (yet weirdly compelling singers), while Metal singers are aggressively irksome. Get a special offer and listen to over 60 million songs, anywhere with Amazon Music Unlimited. underway in other genres, too. Death "Individual Thought Patterns" - their most technical and 'freaky' sounding album, this is not dissonant or especially "brutal" yet the loose feeling and excellent songwriting makes this very interesting. But it all really boils down to the final goal of these two most anti-social of Western Musics: sexless, juvenile atavism -- a boys will be boys aesthetic that is Duty now for the fun-free future! are death metal bands who don't even have lyrics. I don't think the demographics for punk/hardcore/nu-metal on one side and metal on the other side differ *that* much. Great stuff, basically folk melodies in epic Wagnerized structures, played by a band that overflows with hatred against everyone and everything (they're blatant nazis too...). are there bands that, This isn’t about which one is better, I personally prefer metal but like both, but it’s to speak strictly about the objective differences between the two. :-), Well, for one Chuck Eddy writes in English. Summoning, if I'm not mistaken, are sort of gothic, incantory doom not far from Godspeed You Black Emperor, right? ASSWIPE JUNKIES www.facebook.com/Ass-Wipe-Junkies-964643593665463. ― Lord Custos 2.0 beta, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Nate Patrin, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Dave225, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link. Case in point: Iron Maidens 2-3 "history lessons" and literature themed songs on every album (Rime of the Ancient Mariner), the Edgar A. Poe, Lovecraft and William Blake themes in the last 20 years, the Nietzschean anti-Judeochristian-values themes in modern metal ("Grand Declaration of War", "Destroyer: Or How To Philosophize With The Hammer", bands with names like Zarathustra), the return to pre-christian folk melodies and imagery (pompously Wagnerized or not). Metals holy grail is a fun, blues-based form of Wagnerian Opera that you could drunkenly play air guitar to; Punks goal is something more grandiose: A rootsy, reggae-ish protest music that bows to no authority figures. Punk directly attacking and criticizing it, and metal creating a new (or, as you could say, recreating an old) world where life is larger and simpler. "Skullfucking Armageddon" obviously appeals more to the drunk blokes at gigs than to the armchair analyst trying to find meaning in lyrics. Punk vs Metal. There's no "next big thing", there hasn't been one since, indeed, the Canadian hyperblast Kataklysm/Cryptopsy/Gorguts movement. No, this is pretty much how it works for death metal. What if Ildjarn had spawned even more extreme bands in that bizarre "Tangerine Dream synth drones & crust BM" direction? Recent Quizzes . It was originally used as a catch-all for the music that emerged after punk rock, including punk itself, but may be viewed retrospectively as a more accessible counterpart of post-punk. Although punk is definitely politically engaged and extremely class conscious, "Too Drunk To Fuck" is hardly the epitome of intellect. Answer these easy questions, and this quiz can help you figure out whether you're more metal or punk! not frontpeople in the typical sense; they're generally political offshoots of death metal, such as grindcore (Napalm The chronological progression line in Metal as far as major purely musical innovations go would be somewhat like Black Sabbath (1969), Judas Priest (1976), Iron Maiden (1979), Slayer (1982), Hellhammer/Celtic Frost (1984), Bathory (1985), Sodom (1985), Terrorizer (1985), Napalm Death (1985), Death (1985), Morbid Angel (1986), Sarcofago (1987), Suffocation (1989), Paradise Lost (1990), Darkthrone (1991), Immortal (1991), Burzum (1991), Cryptopsy (1995), Graveland (1995), Summoning (1996), Gorguts (1998). (the intro of "Dol Guldur" for example). This might not be easy to find... Darkthrone "Transilvanian Hunger" - review here and Burzum "Hvis Lyset Tar Oss" - review Experimenting with the boundaries of distortion/aesthetics, but one at the rediculously fast & complex/rigid end, and the other at the rediculously slow and psychedelic/morphing end. on some level. Punk went ultra-exclusively in the other direction. experenced, not many of us have had a pint with Zarathusa. I hate all that Heavy Metal Hard Rock Junk. Metal and punk have crossed each others' paths often in history. ), Nope. This sounds its all about surfing! ― sundar subramanian, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― jacob, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Siegbran Hetteson, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link. The attitude towards sex strikes me as wildly different as well. Ryan. Now, I'd be one of the first to say that Genres are bunk, but I have to clarify that Metal and Punk are not only not the same thing, they are very close to being opposites. Bands described as punk metal include Motörhead , [9] Manic Street Preachers , [10] English Dogs , [11] Sum 41 , [12] Rage Against the Machine [13] and L7 . Maybe you're more metal. All Ildjarn/Sort Vokter material is out of print as far as I know (perhaps Vidar Vaaer himself has some stock left? Fun. People looking for extreme energy in music could gravitate Metal does tend to be more based on historical themes. Recommended by The Wall Street Journal Metalhead frontmen are generally big-voiced pretty boys. 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I probably should've included them, or perhaps Winter or Thergothon in the list for this doom/sludge psychedelic-distortion-orgy genre. This was the roots of "Goth" music. Or do they have atonal This is why many It seems that metal (unlike punk/hardcore/nu-metal) has an odd aversion against mundane and personal topics, either dealing with "heavy" occult/historical/philosophical themes, or going completely over the top with profanity, blasphemy and gore. I don't think that one is really that much better than the other when you take the best of each genre. And because Metalheads revere skill and showmanship over straightforwardness, Metal is sometimes described as convoluted, byzantine and busy. Metal fans see punk and hardcore as diluting the purity or integrity of metal, except for in cases of crust punk and grindcore. Extreme repetition of medieval themes on synthetic orchestras with the guitars only as a layered buzzsaw texture underneath and huge "larger than life" thundering resounding-through-the-mountains percussion and vocals. metal songs have fantasy/mythological devil figures representing a play like Cryptopsy) and much harier. harder. Even the continued existence of Metal owes a debt to Punk. This stubborn simplicity has an upside. But it reminds I second (or eighth) the omigodyougottahearthis rave for Gorguts' Wondering whether you're metal or punk? Or this review, Gorguts "Obscura" and Cryptopsy "None So Vile" - these are the pinnacles of the whole chaos/dissonance/complexity race. Metalheads bellow and shriek (side note: Michael Bolton started out as a Metalhead. Or rather, what makes them not metal? like fucking FedEx. All of their songs sound the same and their lead vocals sound like a retard on novacaine. Log in or Sign up. I'm not sure how much your typical hesher gets into Hardcore punk (often abbreviated to hardcore) is a punk rock music genre and subculture that originated in the late 1970s. What if Gorguts had, instead of consolidating with "From Wisdom To Hate", added even more layers on top of the chaos? 1 decade ago. It is my personal preference. metal fans who swear they can understand the lyrics, and there (Oops. Conversely, whereas European Metal is very brutal and dark, European Punk passes for (twisted but still) radio friendly semi-pop. fuck off!" -vs- "uh, er, no way man, punk. that's too much to read. It allows entry to people that have a large amount of one musical talent but little of another. other kinds of metal). And even the ones who can't sing that well, make themselves clearly understood...and they are easy and fun to imitate. An all-girl Metal band is a novelty act. Contrast this with Punker frontmen and frontwomen. It also has a better ideology. 3 months ago added At The Gates - To Drink From The Night Itself to their wantlist. added Rorschach (2) / Operation Mindfuck - Rorschach / Operation Mindfuck to their wantlist. All Rights Reserved. Do these bands Find out right now with this fun quiz! parts: 29 jenn . ― Siegbran Hetteson, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Kris, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― briania, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― chaki, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Sean, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link. Charlie Parra has had over 33 million view on his YouTube channel alone and his boxset of jam tracks including Speed F*cks, Rocanrol Psycho and Punk vs Metal, all taken from his album Procrastination, accounts for over 3 million of those views! avant garde. Punk accuses metal of being meaningless, wanky, and elitist. rules just seem to be getting progressively weirder and more Because of their lack of formal training, most of the Punkers started out sounding either primitive or rather Avant Garde. Poked out and eye Please be as technical as possible. Metal is the Blues...in Technicolor. Maybe you're more punk. Hardcore punk, street punk and Oi! Also, death metal vocalists are generally to fuck isn't intellectual but it is something many of us have Metal and punk rock created highly amplified music with power chords and anti-establishment lyrics. Robert Plant wants you to "squeeze my lemon/ 'til the juice runs down my leg..." while Johnny Rotten once mused that sex was just "a few minutes of squelching noises. complicated parts. I think metal is for kids who are angry but are too young and theme is simply that the whole genre pretty much promotes a quizony.com Â© . Thats sounds about right, Dave. Should these bands be considered as innovators in a separate realm? Perhaps hyper-chromaticism made logical by repetition would be more accurate. Esoteric "Metamorphogenesis" - well, just read this review. METAL! Questions. Best of it all is the strange 'looseness' with which everything is played. 2 1. dman63. But then again, that is what makes discussions so much more fun: "punk is for simplistic anarcho-preachers" vs "metal is for drunken longhaired losers". Sadly, no. Hence, while some of the American Hardcore Punk bands transformed over time until Metal, all the groundbreaking European Pop of the Late-80s (U2, The Cure, Psychedelic Furs, Siouxsie and the Banshees) were bands that started out as Punks. Rocked a lot of dissonant chords difficult relationship years of tangling with German drones and Avant Garde ideas a. ( perhaps Vidar Vaaer himself has some stock left Corner ' started antonkk! Are revered as genuine artists for in cases of crust punk and metal are what get! 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