Between my family and work, I add in some occasional downtime and time with friends, and it keeps me balanced and happy. Hey, new grad here. This website uses cookies to ensure you get the best experience on our website. Ive given up a lot of my golden years being a medical assistant and studying in PA school, missing out as my parents got older and as my friends made memories. As a PA, I hope you have as much luck as I've had in finding where you belong. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, medical assistants perform both administrative and clinical duties under the direction of a physician. Next, I gather my thoughts and place admitting orders to address all of the patients needs. 89. I also like to review their current vital signs, laboratory studies, and any other diagnostic studies they had in the ED. Once you finish PA school you will have the honor of joining the miserable, underpaid, overworked, disrespected, unappreciated, overlooked, unrecognized, unnoticed, always pushed around health care professionals on God's green earth. Besides it might be more a matter of they are "idiots" to that particular physician because he's earned their distrust and disrespect One of the best study guides I've seen comes out of the University of Toronto called "The Toronto Notes" and it breaks down everything into approach algorhythms for pretty much any major problems you can think of. After that, I move on to the next thing on my to do list. As you build experience = job satisfaction = more respect. All Rights Reserved. What no one tells you about moving to Texas is that it's a trap. She didn't hesitate or hedge her bets. Im tired of the weekends working while my friends are out enjoying the day. January 30, 2017 in PA Student General Discussion. The PANCE consists of 300 total questions. I hate being a PA. Looking back now. For pre-PA help, check out /r/prephysicianassistant. Yes it will be a longer path and a harder one, but it will end. WebA curious little book, written against the quackery of Paracelsus, by Leonard Doldius, a Nrnberg physician, and translated into Latin and augmented, by Andreas Libavius, doctor and physician of Rotenburg, alludes to the same story, and gives the Jew a new name nowhere else met with. I hope some time passes and this comment holds true. Weiter zum Hauptinhalt LinkedIn. Plus, people in Texas say things like "I appreciate you" and "Have a blessed day." Once I have seen all of the patients assigned to me and have written progress notes and placed orders, I then call the physicians to discuss the patients or meet with them, depending on how busy the day is or how complex the patient is. 2)Live as cheap a lifestyle as you can and shovel money toward your debt. But I don't worship them. I was blown away. Conduct complete physicals, provide treatment, and counsel patients. I think that this thread shows what one of the primary problems within our profession is and that is the wide swing of diversity, even within the same specialty settings and locales. Being surrounded by some of the brightest people in the field. Yeah she better; but at the end of the day, she will still be a nurse with the same duties. I feel bad that you don't enjoy your jobhowever, I think its unfair of you to tell every young applicant to steer clear of the profession..certain professions are not for everyone, but I am sure there are happy PAs out there Lots of happy PAs in my neck of the woods. Not to degrade a profession I want to enter but I can see why doctors feel frustrated too. I usually jot some notes down, because thats how I learn and remember. Really? She gave me a full 20 minute lecture on how becoming a doctor is more prestigious. Which, I'm sure, was a delight for everyone around me. There are plenty of providers that see their work as their hustle and at the end of the day just want to make money. Actually, for the past couple of years, I wanted some new career opportunities. Very hard to land a gig like this. I can only imagine what that will be like. Anyone else feel this way? So what? Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Then, you must enter and complete a residency of 1 to 7 years, again limited to 80 hours per week by federal law. It is just disheartening and frustrating when my patients have functional/unexplained/vague symptoms that I can't really help or fix. See if that changes how your day feels. I just try to brush it off when I hear people complaining about PAs because at the end of the day you can't please everyone. Was shown up as a student or resident by an astute PA or PA student and cannot let go of embarrassment, 3. has a relative who is a successful PA and can't handle it, 4. To be fair, there are boatloads of unhappy physicians out there as well. WebAlways encountering death is one of the disadvantages of being a physician assistant. I feel like my life is on auto auto-pilot, only looking forward until I get home and until my next day off/vacation and I dont think I want to live this way. You know they've taught apes to sign too? It's called a sunk cost fallacy for a reason. If I am working a day shift, I am assigned to two of the physicians working that day. Every night I come home and try to escape my work day. It's like an ER doc denigrating a nurse or tech working on a code with them. So, I worked my last day at my dream job a few weeks ago. May, in some cases, prescribe medication. Powered by Invision Community, Welcome to the Physician Assistant Forum! Well, regardless of my opinion (which is always correct), the entire landscape is totally different now than it was a generation ago and even further from the generation before that. AAPA has partnered with the Society of Hospital Medicine to offer the perfect course in hospital medicine for PAs and NPs. The APPs either work day or afternoon/evening shifts. I can see both sides of this discussion. But, having specific reasons for staying was important to me. Get debt free and become a hobo, if you want. By For example, when seeing patients in the emergency department (ED) who require admission to the hospital, I first review their medical record. I am fortunate to have found a role as a PA that was so hard to give up, and I have no regrets about "overstaying" my original plan. One of the biggest differences between physician assistants and doctors is how much education they complete before they can practice. Magnanimity is an unusual quality in our species; downright rare in some circles. This is silly because I'm in a field where it's hard to kill people. I'm glad we're realistic about the way we are feeling. 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Experience the power of physical therapy! Many states still are not very PA-friendly, and compensation is a joke. We have some APPs who only work days or afternoons/evenings, but there are a few of us who do both shifts. Kept assuring me that I am "one of the smart ones" and a Medical Degree is just "not a financially smart investment [with the way healthcare is heading] in todays world". Physician assistants prefer 'associate.' The feeling that I made a massive mistake and accrued all this debt in the process is honestly overwhelming me. I've been practicing for 2 years, which isn't long, but my general impression is that medicine is not the glorified bundle of money and satisfaction it's made out to be. If you're a new grad. They don't know I am now a PA student but we got on the topic of PAs practicing medicine and all hell broke loose. However with the pandemic it really shattered that illusion. One of my mentors (a friend who basically introduced me into the profession) felt burnt out and basically dropped most of his true medicine besides ~3 days a month, and jumped more into the business side and academia of medicine. Any advice would be appreciated. The learning curve for the younger PAs now is huge because many do not have the patient care experience. Dr. Bob. Im a big fan of being consistent and thorough when Im interviewing and examining patients. She went to meet the patient and learn more about his history. I then staff the patient with my attending physician, and, last but not least, I dictate the patients admission history and physical. Im even lucky to have gotten a job at the height of the pandemic. sorry about that my friend. So some are bitter that they have been "screwed" and "midlevels" are taking their work and their big money away. Biden and gang are still trying to blame Donald Trump for the countrys many problems. Im hoping it gets better because at this point I have no other options. Can't handle anyone having success or smarts other than an MD. How did you end up in hospital medicine? Unfortunately, the "system" doesn't afford me that opportunity. What specialty are you in? February 10, 2014 in Professional PA General Discussion, To all and any who are considering the PA profession as their future career -. Hey fellow new grad! Rounding and discharges are breaking your back - you gonna spend $120K on a PA and back them up a little bit or double that ++ on another doc? Younger docs or immigrants or people with good math skills tend to see how much we can add to the bottom line and/or make everything easier. Our predecessors generation had tolerated I've been kind of noticing this in general too. All rights reserved. Ive been thinking about transitioning into an epic analyst, data analyst, IT or programming. And, they have grits. Seven years ago, I almost quit or quit my first job. It happened when I decided to become a PA. And, after my time in Texas, it flipped again when I knew I wanted to work in oncology. "If I could go back in time, I would actually choose a totally different career path; probably as far away from the healthcare field as possible!" Fact is, the world doesn't need a ton of House MD's, certainly not in primary care where 90-95% of what we see is obvious and our boards beat the other 5-10% to death. I wanted to work somewhere with doctors who completed trusted my ability to care for patients, where they encouraged you to practice at the very top of your license. It would appear that physicians (especially physician moms) are waking up to the unworkability of the medical profession. Plus even with the nice salary and benefits, you get to help people, which is the reason that you should have gotten into this field initially, and from your initial post, it does not sound like that is the reason that you got into this field, which is a shame, and sad. Lately Ive been finding myself jealous of my peers and colleagues in other industries. Are you interviewing for another PA job? Other than that, I dont see how you use your degree for anything else. You could say I'm burnt out, and you'd be right. Sometimes people will succumb to Have you considered leaving your state for one that is more PA friendly? Even better than our working relationship with our physicians is the relationship we have with our APP co-workers. Must graduate from an accredited educational program for physician assistants.. I used to think that all problems would be solved in my lifetime. With your experience, I suggest switching into another specialty before giving it up. On the other side - I recently attended a dinner with my CCU team and one of the docs present praised the PA's and NP's for the work we do and recognized that day to day and hour to hour we are the ones running the show and calling the shots in our Unit. They moved from out of state; they didn't have family here and came alone. Part of me says I should suck it up and stick it out for at least 3 years. WebThe role of physician leaders has increased with the growing recognition that our expertise and experience can provide invaluable contributions to healthcare | 148 LinkedIn Ted James MD, MHCM LinkedIn: #healthcare #leadership #physicianleadership #healthcareleaders | 148 Late 20s is very young still. And I've practiced in a variety of settings, both in outpatient offices and hospitals. WebPhysician Assistants earned an average median annual wage of $121,530 in 2021, and the projected growth by 2031 is 27.6%, the 3rd best among jobs with the lowest risk of being replaced by robots. I will concur that just about every PA is miserable in their first job, BUT let's also entertain the possibility that this is largely a thankless job and some people really, really will not like it. I usually spend some time after my shift addressing any emails I didnt get to during the day or following up on patient results. WebPhysician Assistants earned an average median annual wage of $121,530 in 2021, and the projected growth by 2031 is 27.6%, the 3rd best among jobs with the lowest risk of being replaced by robots. I agree. Doctoral Degree. I wish I could wake up 2 years into the future with confidence. Copyright 2022 Be a PA Consultants, All rights reserved. I was feeling drained and hated my job. There's no need to denigrate anyone but I also believe in affording respect where respect is due. Is the grass really greener? How many patients do you see a day? My days will be occupied by listening to her soft snoring while she sleeps and feeding her peanut butter milk bones while she's awake. There'd always been a patient or two that I wanted to make sure I stayed until the end for, and then that would overlap with the next patient. Quitting medicine altogether? I'm constantly second-guess my decision-making, am worried about my patients, etc. The grass is always greener on the other side. Indeed, estimates from the Association of American Medical Colleges (AAMC) indicate that the U.S. could face a shortfall of between 21,000 and 55,000 primary care doctors by 2023. I loved what I was doing, but I had to admit I wasn't really growing. But rarely is anyone able to pull that off. I think what they say is true that medicine should be a calling and you should get into it because you love caring for others otherwise. "If you don't like something, change it. This amount of practice not only makes you good at what you do in short order, but it also makes you confident in what you are doing. I am able to work fewer days, because one work day is 12 hours, and even though its not always enjoyable to work weekends, there are some advantages. Well, there is a trememdous difference in time and cost. Thank you for your post. Kind of sounds like you are a whine bag. Before you enter physician assistant school, you'll need a strong background in science. Meanwhile, Ive seen my peers in other industries even flourish during the pandemic. Some, as we've seen for some time, don't feel as fortunate and it is not always necessarily of their own doing. Dr. Bob. So, rather than being a story about why I quit, it's more about why I could never bring myself to do it before now. Both worth a look. Its maddening. Start your band, work at Chik-fil-A. JP: When I started PA school, I didnt know which specialty I wanted to practice. Have any of you seen this before? Was offered a job for an internal medicine inpatient position in a nyc hospital I was a little taken back by this salary, as my brother who is an I have been a pa since 1996 as well and share some of your frustrations at times. They don't know I am now a PA student but we got on the topic of PAs practicing medicine and all hell broke loose. Let this be a cautionary tale. Log in. I also know many people in other jobs/professions who have it harder and make significantly less and I think to myself that I should be grateful and that Im just being a spoiled brat. Find out more about the course and register today! We go in liking the idea of being flexible and having the ability to move among the specialties. It boggles my mind. Badgers, medicine is one big algorithm. Hospitals are PAs largest employer group, and hospital medicine is an ever-changing practice setting. I have more thicker skin now & comfortable to manage whatever comes thru the door & at the same know my limitation. Consultant Cardiologist. But don't take the rest of the profession to the crapper with you if you can't. Something was off. As recognized leaders in cardiac care, women's and children's services, cancer care, orthopedics and advanced patient-safe Location & Hours 5300 Snyder Ln Ste A This is of course an isolated incident and I know plenty of doctors who respect the PA profession and what it brings to the table in terms of team-based medicine. I feel like most of these problems will pass once you get more experience and a bit more self-confidence with your decision making. I "like" the specialty I'm in. You have to be able to go with the flow of the day. However, I cant foresee myself doing this for the rest of my life. JP: Work-life balance is a difficult thing. Now, there is no black & white. However, I do respect the insight and appreciate the candid discussion. But they need look in the mirror and stop checking boxes. But there is a ditch on the other side of this road and I think you just fell into it. I think a buffer of time between jobs will help me adjust to something new. Personally I felt like an idiot at work for a good 2 years. Ultimately I know this is my fault. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, between 2018 and 2028, demand for PAs will jump by 31%, nurse practitioners by 26%, and registered nurses by 12%. Having a support system made it easy to stay, but I also really loved the work I was doing. As a result, the vast majority of patient care, particularly outside of clinic visits, is handled by APPs. People in both roles complete a bachelor's degree in pre-med or a similar field, such as biology, nutrition, public health or biochemistry. I applaud you for your outspoken opinion on career satisfaction. 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