I even read through the comments. Great info and straight to the point. If you used them in the military, you will be shocked at how much better a SiCo can is. . 3. If theres a next time, which one would you want to see? I was looking into KAW Linear but thought their design would never reduce recoil so wondering if something like that and the VG6 combined are out there. Jeremy, great reviews! These are the main two muzzle devices I am currently looking at. Lock the shutter open and fire(manual settings). Designed to be fun and look awesome, Ordained Arms Dragon SpitZLead wasnt intended to reduce recoil, although it did have a minor beneficial effect compared to a bare muzzle. Diameter(at largest point): 1.5 Would love to see how the Witt Machine stacks up and also the Dragon by Lantac. Diameter(at largest point): 0.869 Weight:2.03 oz The gas block was turned off so the action remained locked and 100% of the gasses went out the muzzle. I simply assume that plugging any of them would result in more felt recoil. Length:2.95 Ive purchased air pressure sensors designed to log blast waves so we can compare the amount of concussion each muzzle device generates, and these will be used in test four. While similar in internal design to the previous model, it has a new outer profile and a . by BadKarmaZeroSix Tue May 05, 2015 2:22 am, Post For the price the machining is fine. When Im shooting I care about muzzle rise and recoil and I dont care about flash or concussion. However, the vast majority of muzzle devices that mitigated recoil more than the EFFIN-A also exhibited significantly more concussion and more flash. It was one heck of an endeavor putting it all together, and it was also a lot of fun. dedicated flash hiders or a linear compensators). Diameter(at largest point): 1.5 Finish:Phosphate Diameter(at largest point): 2.27 The good news is my SBR functions flawlessly with my Saker 762 on the end. Length:2.079 http://www.diamondhead-usa.com/collections/accessories/products/t-brake-muzzle-compensator-5-56mm. Useful data, this testing proved fruitful. Second WAYYYYY better than your first shootout, clear empirical test criteria and straightforward transparent data and results. Ive heard the VG6 Gamma behaves in a similar way and its obviously heavily ported on top. Material: 17-4ph heat treated stainless steel The front has a four prong design like some of the Vortex flash eliminator models (though much stubbier). Lars Hagemann (danish top shooter selling his own brake, look him up at FaceBook). Thats totally fine. I dont know that you could have measured and provided a graph, but muzzle rise and noise measured 2ft to the side of shooter; that data would be super useful. Employing a waffle-like pattern with tiny passageways to diffuse gas, the AFAB reduces flash and concussion while keeping the muzzle on target. Discussion about rifles in 300 AAC BLACKOUT (7.62x35mm), hosted by the creator of the cartridge. Im hoping to actually run the tests sometime in March and the ensuing article will then publish in April, but Ill update if this plan changes. (Out Of Stock) PWS MK2 Complete Bolt 308 Our Price: $129.00 (Out Of Stock) DuraMag 28rd Mag 762X39 (4-Pack) Our Price: $109.00 . The accuracy in a 11.5 is more than enough. i imagine this took a good deal of time. Payment by PP F&F, Venmo, Zelle, or cash. . 7.62 Linear Compensator - Best Linear Compensator for AK-47. They do bottom out in the holes so they can be torqued down, too. The Barking Spider (Selenocosmia stirlingi) is large and hairy. If something about your rifles action makes the muzzle move left, you can plug a hole or more on the right. For instance, if youre running a short barrel theres going to be a lot more pressure than a 16 bbl which will have more than a longer barrel. by sucker76 Tue May 05, 2015 2:04 am, Post Love that you took the time to do all this. Just buy a Saker 7.62 or 5.56K and call it good. Please feel free to visit our website https://www.legitarmsdealer.com/. Diameter(at largest point): ~1.6 from tip of top horn to tip of opposite side bottom horn Any chance we can please get a flash hider comparison? I am in the process of building an AR, mostly for precision but with the fun factor of 3-Gun in the back of my mind. Thanks for putting all this together. Nice review The Dragon spits blast and fire through its mouth, nostrils, and eyes. Our mission is simple, we strive to build the highest quality AR-15's firearms, and offer them at the best possible price. I use the Griffen Armament M4SD and really like it. You may also be interested in the AR-15 Drop-In Trigger Roundup HERE. recoil and muzzle rise, as reducing muzzle rise is more important to me. I also have no idea if 1mm of handguard-off-the-rest rise would be any different in this regard to 15 mm of handguard-off-the-rest rise. Flea market price monitoring and tools. I love brakes on the range, but I am quite concerned about the concussion causing very serious, permanent damage were I to ever have to use the rifle indoors for CQB Whats the best option? The M4-72 is also available in bead blast stainless finish) Flea market price monitoring and tools. Last edited by myv6; 03-09-14 at 19:48 . First, a quick note: not all of these muzzle devices are brakes/comps, or were otherwise designed to mitigate recoil. It would be really great to see these brakes compared in any follow up testing you might do: LANTAC Dragon Awesome video, lots of info, my question to you, how do those muzzle brake work with a SBR 7.5 and would you do a video on this subject. The first is made by surefire. Machining on the Tactical Talon is flawless, despite Tioften being difficult to work with, and the look is aggressive. Some of those prices are little ridiculous though, its a hunk of threaded metal with holes in it. DetailsThe Spike's Tactical Barking Spider is a revolutionary, patent pending, modular Krinkov style muzzle brake! Thanks again to King Armory for kickstarting this whole endeavor. MSRP:$179.95. You have to account for the overlap of barrel and muzzle device since the muzzle device screws on and covers the threaded end of the barrel. Although I think the design is much more of a brake, it does effectively compensate for muzzle rise with a simple design feature also found on some other brakes in this test in lieu of top ports the top (or top strap, if you will) is narrower than the bottom, which means a bit more gas expands upwards than downwards. All stated weights and dimensions are as measured by me. Material: steel Jeremy is TTAG's Deputy Editor, working mostly behind the scenes but, when he attempts to write, he focuses on comprehensive gun & gear reviews. In the future test, Id like to see more forward comps. I assembled all the parts myself. To get an easily serviceable and durable AR on a budget, staying pretty close to Mil Spec everything is the easy way to do it. Seekins Precision It is really a great and useful piece of information. Its the total length that counts one your muzzle device is permanently affixed, so you have to subtract that overlap. You have been permanently banned from this board. Length:2.025 push to the rear. Would be even better if there was a repeatable easy way to objectively test side blast (my Fav the FSC556 indeed has very little compromise as you said but it definitely loosens up the crud in my sinuses, sucker is LOUD). Its an effective brake, and tied for ninth place in the recoil test. info with us. Clean machining and a low gloss nitride finish make for an attractive brake that doubles as a fast-attach mount for AAC sound suppressors. He lives outside of Austin, TX. Oh, and if you test more brakes and comps ask if AR15performance will add their Vortex Comp 5.56 in the mix. Thats how most people would use the device. Material:17-4 stainless steel (cast with milled bore, heat treated) Material: 4140 Steel Long Range Design (Swedish company, http://longrangedesign.com/) Amazon.comAR15 .223 1/228 Competition Muzzle Device Brake: For whatever reason Ive treated this as a generic Amazon.com product and have filedit under A for Amazon in all cases. I had it on a 8.5" barrel with a 9" handguard. Finish:Ionbond CrCN matte black It may not be ideal for the Operators but its definitely a lot of fun out on the range and the CC, AR15 .223 1/228 Competition Muzzle Device Brake, Passively Constructed Negligent Discharge of the Day: Ferguson Fallout Edition. If theres a lot of interest specifically in flash suppression, let me know. With a bare muzzle, it slid 9.175 inches. Weight: 1.46 oz Witt Machine and Fortis RED AKA Rapid Engagement Device. A. Clasic Newton 1/2 MV^2 type stuff bullet mass accelerated vs the mass of the rifle Strike Industries Fat Comp 01:(click here), Material: steel 30 caliber Spider was used with a 5/8x24 to 1/2x28 adapter. It doesnt reduce recoil, but it sure as heck reduces flash. Id like to see the SilencerCo Saker and/or SpecWar Trifecta flash hider tested to see how it stacks up. THIS IS A TITLE II NFA ITEM. If theres enough interest, Ill do a flash suppressor version. Material: HTSR 416 stainless steel Weight:7.25oz That means gas was responsible for 17.3 out of 41.6 lb-ft/s or about 41%. Material: hardened 4140 steel Off to the sides? This is supposed to be a representative but not fully or legitimately scientific test and I have no expectations whatsoever that it could hold up to any scientific scrutiny. MSRP:$94.99. MSRP:$150. It did reduce recoil by the largest amount of any dedicated compensator (no brake style ports) in the test. The parkerizing is pretty standard. We decided to take the piece down and do it again, but this time with big name brakes as well so we could all compare the performance of less well known ones to known quantities, etc. Shop All PWS; Firearms. Also I would like to see a Spikes Dynacomp 2 on the test. The testing must have gotten tedious, and taken some time. Weight:6.5 oz Ionbond CrCN mattefinish is uniform and tough as nails. This way if a few more things end up here and Ive already seen multiple requests for SJC Titan and something from Yankee Hill (which specific brakes/comps from them would you want to see?) Weight:6.875 oz As a Marine I seldom wear mine and at 55 I stll have NO loss of hearing. The M11-SPR (Special Purpose Rifle) is the smaller brother to Precision Armaments M11 Severe-Duty Brakethat I chose for my Ultimate Mosin Nagant project build. It's where I keep my bullets". The supressor you used gave slightly better results due to the real weight of the can being added in. Discussion about rifles in 300 AAC BLACKOUT (7.62x35mm), hosted by the creator of the cartridge. I have the Spike's Barking SpiderII. Its diameter is perfect for a mil-spec barrel and can look like an integral part rather than a bolt-on. Really great write-up and video. Especially for .223/5.56. Depending on which of those three you want, I'd tell you to look at a good muzzle brake (Surefire K-type brake, AAC brake, etc), the Vortex flash hider, or the Noveske KX3/5 muzzle devices respectively. Strike Industries Venom I actually thought there were some mistakes namely, a very fine, longitudinal line on the inside and some thicker lines on the vents but they actually are on the 3D drawings on Precision Armaments site. 1 Review . Great review, Jeremy! Not gonna lie, I thought it was a bit dorky at first but it actually looks kind of cool on a rifle or AR pistol. Plenty of these things dont always align with reality in some way. I haven't handloaded any yet. weekend photo caption) and giveaway prizes. The CRD is easy to pop on and locks securely. Funny Barking Spider Farting Arachnid Novelty Unisex T Shirt 8 ratings $1799 Get Fast, Free Shipping with Amazon Prime & FREE Returns Learn more Fit Type: Men Men Women Youth Color: Navy Size: Select Solid colors: 100% Cotton; Heather Grey: 90% Cotton, 10% Polyester; All Other Heathers: 50% Cotton, 50% Polyester Imported Pull On closure Id expect muzzle rise reduction performance on-par with the GAMMA should I have installed it properly. SKU. Precision Armament M4-72 Severe-Duty Compensator: Number one in the recoil test by a consistent margin, eliminating almost 74% of the recoil compared to a bare muzzle. Obviously Id have to come up with the sort of equipment for measuring those brief bursts and logging the peak brightness, but Id also have to go out to the woods on a moonless night in the middle of winter (it has been like 14 degrees at night). Which do you guys like better (on a DI AR). Some grittiness in the threads. Sydney funnel-web. Finish:Black Oxide Itlooks pretty clean on an AR, as it has a nice diameter (body is 0.77) and a simple enough design to look a bit like a continuation of the barrel itself. As it is the down season, I am in no major rush to complete the rifle and only buying parts as funding permits. Kaw Valley Precision, Troy Claymore, Kineti-tech with and without the sleeve, KIES, and Levang to name a few. AK-74 PWS CQB 74 5.45x39 - price monitoring, charts, price history, fee, crafts, barters. If you have to have the prongs out front, the Spikes Tactical Barking Spider is almost identical to the PWS CQB except the threaded portion is external (and can be pinned/welded). As a Patron you can also get free stuff, join live streams, gain early access, and more. The second 5.56 muzzle brake test is HERE, the third is HERE, the first 5.56 flash hiding test HERE, the second 5.56 flash hiding test HERE, and the first .308 brake test HERE. I know that you got some pretty consistent (and impressive) results, but the rock was observed often shifting during the tests not always, but nevertheless, it does introduce variances in the results because when the weight shifts, it alters the entire sled assemblys inertia and can act as a delay in recoil aspect that is hard to deny. MSRP:$59.95. I havent seen this much muzzle device data that isnt filled with company tag lines and guarantees. Profit flea vs Trader. Yeah, but it was pulled down like an hour after it went up. Diameter(at largest point): 0.866 . Diameter(at largest point): 0.996 Any chance you could test the ALG Defense Sidewinder? Its designed for precision accuracy as well as muzzle control and recoil management. Dynacomp is on the list. Add to Wish List Add to Compare. They may be the same as the mystic, but it would be interesting to see. SiCo cans come with the brake included in the price. PLEASE DO A .308/7.6251 VERSION OF THIS TEST!!! YHM Phantom Brake The only suggestion that comes to mind would be to divide the results into at least two price categories. Diameter(at largest point): 0.922 Length:1.63 great review, but I was mostly interested in flash suppression. Mark. The price Im sure will be a bit salty but I have to do the best I can in order to (hopefully) continue to shoot. Of course, the one you see in the photo here has a couple thousand rounds through it and a few ultrasonic cleanings. I get that its hard/expensive to test for noise reduction to the user, but it may be a good next round? If that's how you intend to use it, that's all you need. All three companies run QD systems on their muzzle devices. Weight:4.75 oz (2.6 oz in Ti according to manufacturer) really good article!! Yeah, it may actually overcompensate like Vuurwapen mentioned you can see the barrel bending downwards in my slow-mo footage as well. Ideal for indoor shooting ranges or shooting in tight spaces, the PWS CQB comp redirects sound forward instead of out to the side like other brands and improves control of short-barreled rifles. Home birth. Material: Titanium (also available in chrome-moly steel) This is all highly variable, as the amount of gas and pressure exiting your muzzle is quite variable and the amount of compensation and recoil reduction depends almost entirely on that. Diameter at barrel is 0.75) MSRP:$125. The last build that I did, I bought one of the Amazon units and was very impressed with its price:value ratio and personally feel the recoil reduction! Thats pretty freaking tight. I use Precision Armaments M41A2 Severe-Duty Muzzle Brake on my 300BLK, and I couldnt be happier. I love the look, size, weight, quality, and function. You'll have to use one of the griffin muzzle devices for 30cal though. Unfortunately for this purpose I edited out excessive delay between the shot and me calling out the distance (I intentionally waited a few seconds because the microphone clips and muffles sound for a few seconds after a loud noise), but you can still witness the camera rotating upon firing and then see it rotate back into the original position afterwards. Finish:Black Oxide (also available in bare stainless) See more words with the same meaning: mythical people, creatures, and conditions (list of). Weight:3.27 oz Its even and nice, and I love seeing evidence of heat treating in some areas inside of the brake (that color case hardened look). I got a bit of flash out of it on one shot and it definitely didnt reduce recoil, but the machining is top notch and the gloss Melonite finish is really nice. Actually using a light meter in order to quantify empirical data necessary to create a graph would presumably be quite difficult. Thats up to you. The SuperComp brake line may now be licensed to JP, but Ive filed this one under GoGun as the packaging I received still says GoGun. The other sample from them was already branded JP so its listed separately below. There will be side concussion so the shooter needs to be aware of surrounding personnel., Yeah, they aint kidding. I want to do this but am unsure what length barrel to get. Definitions by the largest Idiom Dictionary. state my blunt opinion on machining, fit/finish, and utility plus any items of note, along with relevant stats. Same concept as its bigger brother, but in a smaller, lighter package. Ross Schuler MSRP:$84.99, I hope everyone enjoyed this shootout. It seems to me like normal folks concerned with flash signature are the mall ninja ones . 1 Reply Share ReportSaveFollow More posts from the guns community 7.9k Posted by4 days ago 3 MSRP: $64.99($74.99 in stainless). Studying in Australia, immigration consultants in Chandigarh Read More. $139.95. My guess is it would do favorably along with the other 3-port brakes in the test, but not as well as the winner the Precision Armament M4-72 because it doesnt have reverse-angled ports, which definitely give the M4-72 an edge in ultimate recoil reduction.. The black oxide finish was done more consistently than the norm. Of course, this may be due in part to it pushing the test rig down onto the table hard enough to literally flex the barrel downwards, thereby increasing the friction between rig and table. If the top strap was narrower than the bottom, it would more effectively inhibit muzzle rise. Weight:4 oz After the bullet has left the muzzle/physics system, the light but extremely fast moving gasses act like rocket gasses and increase the recoil unless directed backwards.Since these gases can significantly reduce recoil when directed backwards, they must contribute significantly to the recoil when not redirected. I personally find it better to have suppressor anyway as it's better to not give away your . From what I can see in the video it looked like that AFAB was the only combo brake that didnt show a visible flash. Finish:Parkerized (multiple other finishes also available) Things You Need to Know About Canadian Education System . Theyre big and wild looking and, while there is some efficacy there, I think its fair to say that the primary design intention is aesthetics. In your opinion how did the Surefire and silencerco breaks measure up to each other on muzzle blast, concussion, and muzzle rise? Was hoping to see the SJC Titan on the list. Find out how long the threaded section of the barrel you plan to use is. Diameter(at largest point): 1.139 I would be interested to see how the Lancer Nitrous Comp performs. Api url changed, pls check api page. On the slow-mo footage, I did actually cut out the 2nd one when they both looked identical. I have never worried about recoil before never seem to bother me. by BadKarmaZeroSix Tue May 05, 2015 4:09 am, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. The FSC556 is factory equipment on the FN SCAR16s and some other very nice rifles, including many from PWS of course. Again, thank you very much for your hard work and great review / video. No purpose to showing the 2nd shot. Thanks for the info. MSRP:$109.95. The humor on the label was a nice touch, but its actually a really great way to package a small part like this regardless especially one that comes with extra parts like the EFFIN-A does. Have you tested the Kahntrol Solutions 3 Gun brake? Most of the comps dont actually push down (dont increase the weight on the sled vs. a stationary rifle), but they do prevent the muzzle from rising as much. Top rated: 3 Lowest rating: 1 Summary: Articles about Barking Spider 2 or PWS CQB? Weight:7.75 oz EFT version 0.13. Like Tex300BLK, said, the FSC556 is incredible at recoil reduction but sweet Jesus is it loud. Compensation is great, but if it blows away your buddy, then maybe not so good. Id love to see the fortis RED(rapid engagement device). Length:2.169 Feels like a .50 BMG haha. Diameter(at largest point): 0.909 Anyway, massive efficacyhere in a pretty small and light package thats also priced very competitively. Im satisfied that you shared this helpful If you do the prokill barter from mechanic you can get the NT-4 + compensator for about 21k (~60k per prokill x2 = ~120k, sell rest of the parts back to mechanic for 99k). OSS CHRISTIAN? JP Rifles claims that about 70% of recoil is from the gasses. Compared to the weight of the rock and the sled and the amount of surface area, etc etc no idea. Ill do it again, and will try to include one or more of these. It is very similar to Jerrys and the other Amazon one, only in stainless which I would prefer to use for my build. Finish:Ionbond CrCN matte black (also available in bead blast stainless) MSRP:$129.99. Thanks. All natural. The PWS CQB 30 is designed to direct muzzle blast forward away from your team, relieving them of the punishment and distraction other compensators cause. Question to TTAGers. where-to-buy-guns Pretty normal, actually. Ill include it next time for sure. Diameter(at largest point): 0.996 Appears in Kurt Vonnegut's Breakfast of Champions (1973). Coolest packaging wasnt a category I had in mind, but were it part of the shootout Ares Armor would have won hands down with the prescription bottle that the EFFIN-A comes in. Length:2.41 PS, here is a brake for you to look at. The company I work for as an engineer makes a highly engineered part for our equipment for $4 total cost, and charges the customers $650 retail. The Battlecomp *might* have been the only one to clearly push down on the muzzle, but Id have to look at all of the slow-mo clips again to be sure. I did actually try to get it done while the temperature was consistent, so I started setting up at like 11:00 AM and wrapped at close to 3:00.