However, my personal 12ga is an 88 Mossy 500. Ive already gushed over the smooth action, but theres more to it than that. 3. I recently ought a HD shotgun, looked at the 500, 870, but bought the Benelli, just fit me better. Bottom ejection for lefties too. It was easy to get it unstuck with a tool, but the gun was new and I did not expect it to have such a flaw. It also simplifies cleanup since you dont have to chase hulls. Remington also offered a 12-gauge, Customization: * * * * * introduced limited edition, 12 gauge Bicentennial $499.00 $449.00. barrel. Remington Camo CL/RC Shotgun with cantilever scope mount and a 23-inch introduced the 12 gauge Model 870 Marine Magnum Security gun The company also manufactured the Ive been readn these posts again. I too am a Rem 870 fan, but also wanted the Win 97 but the prices in the last ten years have skyrocketed because they are one of the few period-authentic pumps to be allowed for Cowboy Action shooting, so all you see on offer now are those truly worn or shot out, for stil too much money, or those in excellent shape for which you pay museum prices. It is an amazing book with great detailed photos and troubleshooting/repair methods. What I dont like and never will is the American shotgun makers obsession with long lengths of pulls. Want to know whether the Mossberg 500 or Remington 870 is right for you? (Ive always been interested in the truth to the subject of function buttons, switches and all things that change the operation of guns but mostly it boils down to my curiosity of 2 things: Safety and Mag releases. I'd say the jury is still out and we'll have to wait 5-10 years to see how RemArms performs. In addition, Remington also Also cantilever and receiver-mounts for scopes [3] The Remington Model 870 is a pump-action shotgun manufactured by Remington Arms Company, LLC. It has been dropped into a swamp 4 of water and then into the mud. breech locked securely in a hardened barrel extension, and a new The Streamlight TL Racker replaces your pump with an integrated light. I have an early 70s model 870 Wingmaster that is the cats meow but for ducks, geese, clay pigeons and anything else I now turn to my Benelli Nova. Wow a fan boy article on the 870 instead of Glock! Please include what you were doing when this page came up and the Cloudflare Ray ID found at the bottom of this page. This raises the height of the bead and ensures accuracy and a proper point of aim/point of impact. We had to get it worked on by a Gunsmith who took out some of the bulges. Besides my shotgun, I also have a model 700, 22-250 set up for competition shooting (age unknown, I bought it used in 96), and a model 700, 7mm that I bought new in 97. Then get an older one. Remington contracted with the U.S. Marine Corps to fabricate 3,231 Model Swapping to a pistol grip means its pointless and the Remy gets the nod. Maverick 88 all the way. The only potential issue I see is the fore grip seems to be tighter to the receiver on the left, and is rubbing a bit, looking at it from above you can see slack on the right side and snug on the left side. or Best Offer. I felt the same way until I found a left handed safety conversion on Midway for $17 with 95% saying they would recommend to a friend. line. But then I prefer the old corncob or spool style forend on any pump gun. Youth Turkey Gun versions, If I was going for a cheap clays gun Id go 870 but most other tasks 500. Just remember the recoil pad since those things are lightweight. Not reallyI just screwed up the math. You do not pay The Remington 870 can be configured for any roll and for nearly everyone. Produced every year since, the Model 870 has Happily, they are not allowed for Cowboy Action shooting (unlike the Win 97) and so they have not become scarce, but shop for a nice one, they are getting on a bit. Instead of sending it back I just tried to deal with the sight issue by aiming high left. The mossberg feels like its going to fall apart? The Remington 870 is an incredibly reliable and well-made shotgun designed to fill any role a shotgun can fill. purchase helps support my work in bringing you more awesome gun and gear articles. First thing you do with ANY firearm is put a coat of Renaissance Wax on it, wood metal everything you can get at. added 28-gauge and .410 bore versions to the Model 870 Wingmaster Remington Model 870 20 Gauge Pump Action Shotgun $ 471.99. How much is in my blow money envelope? A Win 1300 12ga is a bit better to duck/goose hunt with. Grade shotgun received a new stock style and dimensions, and Consenting to these technologies will allow us to process data such as browsing behavior or unique IDs on this site. Got locked-up problem with the very first shot and the second, and the third, and 10 stuck-ups out of 17 shots. As we continued the course the screw that held the rear sight in place worked itself loose and the ghost ring fell off. I personally love that forend that Remington is putting on these now. produced 4,000 limited edition, 12 gauge, 3 magnum Ducks I have been debating between Mossberg 500 and the Remington 870. It was only firing 1 out of 5 shells, the firing pin would click but wasnt even denting the primers. 1100 win. father, a WWII combat veteran, keeps handy for home defense. Remington Working a well-honed, well-worn action delivers a tactile experience thats just plain enjoyable. was now expanded to additional Model 870 12 gauge and 20 gauge field models with custom checkering Question of the Day: How Can the NRA Become Less White? walnut, in mid-year 1974, Remington began fitting some M870 Field Remington also introduced a 20 gauge Model 870 this cheivement was made possible by a rock-solid design and innovative Remington management which introduced dozens of variations over a 55-year history to satisfy millions of shotgunners. Hand-Picked Daily GUN DEALS, and Exclusive Coupons Codes >>>, Sarah Connor chose the 870 to fight Terminators, Available in virtually any configuration you could want, Caliber: 12 Gauge (.410 and 20 gauge also available), Barrel Length: 20 (14 through 28 also available), Capacity: 7 Rounds (4 to 6 also available). Anyway, pay thru the nose for one of the few remaining Win Mod 97s worth buying, or buy a new Norinco copy, with by the way modern steel. Remingtons king of pump shotguns came to life in 1950, and at the time, it was rather revolutionary. It is the last year of production, and many of them were parts clean up guns. 870 shotguns. Ive also discovered that the metal trigger guard and housing on high end 870s can,also be dented and even cracked if dropped. became standard on 26-inch and 28-inch barrels. Unfortunately Freedom Group has also been bad for the 870 Wingmaster, and some are coming now to shops with poor quality stocks and other noticeable defects. But, the Ithaca is irreplaceable now so it stays in the house in bad weather. When I first took delivery of it and tore it down for cleaning, too many plastic parts that should be metal, machining marks inside. The result was a pump-action, bottom loading, side ejecting, tubular magazine-fed shotgun. Gotta say I love Travis's very old school bayonet lug. Update on the mossberg. Other than that, Im done with Remington for a while. I got my 870 Express as a graduation present in 1985. Good to see cerberus didnt screw up the 870 yet. Then, when you put the gun up against some competition, and you start to realize just how good you have it. Model 870 SP with 3-inch chamber, ventilated rib barrel 870 SP-CAMO shotgun in Mossy Oak Bottomland camo (for $425). Ergonomics: * ** * full choke. matte finish on metal parts and black synthetic stock and forend. I am currently waiting for them to fix it and send it back. shotgun (for $79.95), the Model 870 BDL Deluxe Special Grade Then again, Ive always considered the 870 to be a superior pump gun to the 500. Nothing else changes, is remover or modified! The 37 is solid, but I have a serious complaint about the bottom eject. You get 1,000 lumens of bright white light for target identification with massive ambi controls and full control over the light and weapon. Remington It was a duck gun, 28 barrel and wood furniture. Not really, any competent smith should be able to do it. Remington Perhaps if the words in the comment trigger and hammer were reversed, the true picture would emerge, viz., by having the HAMMER cocked on a live round, you could very quickly jack 6 rounds out in a hurry just by holding the TRIGGER back, as there is nothing to keep it from following the bolt freely. (As said, it is the lack of trigger disconnect from the sear which allows this, not following the bolt freely, whatever that means.) Browning website will send you a BIG Browning catalog for free. Both kick like a mule but inexplicably the 500 is significantly lighter in all polymer furniture than the 870 (almost 2 lbs!). However, the 870 Wingmaster will always hold a space in my heart. Something I would already be familiar with. enable_page_level_ads: true fabricated his first gun barrel, giving birth to an industry. The company also offered a Kind of tough with AOWs though, they are pretty much mostly made from 870s or Mossberg 500s unless you quadruple the cost and get a cool Saiga 12 based one. Remington Barrel Remington 870 Wingmaster Lightweight Frame 20 Gauge 2-3/4" Rem Choke with Modified Choke Tube Vent Rib. wow. Top Rated Plus. Remington 870 Express 20 Gauge Fully Rifled Cantilever Shotgun Barrel $308.00 (Save $28.01) $279.99 Mossberg 90063 500 Barrel 20 Gauge 24" Integral Scope Base Blued $249.99 (Save $11.50) $238.49 Remington V3 12 Gauge Shotgun Barrel $391.00 (Save 10%) $349.99 Mossberg Tactical . My 28 barrel is my all around shotty, and i want to keep it that way. Subscribe to Pew Pew Tactical's sales and deals email. Also, can someone link me to a guide which would help teach me what to look for, to judge HOW WORN an 870 is? When I was 16 y.o. A classy (and iconic) shotgun. of the 12 gauge Model 870 Competition Trap gun It was easy to bring up to firing position and pointed effortlessly. ALL heavy-duty steel, fine walnut, and smooth as silk operation. Glad I got one while I could. At one point he had some shells that had gotten wet duck hunting and the bullet when off delayed and blew up the lower part of the action but was able to be fix easily. ventilated rib barrel. It takes like 20 seconds to replace the extractor. youtube.com/watch?v=tN5Zs0xa1t8, sure, breaking down the gun takes a couple minutes (like 3) but you can literally swap the extractor with the bolt still in the gun without an issue. 870TC Trap Grade (for $159.95), Model 870TD Trap It has to be the smoothest and slickest action on any pump-action shotgun Ive handled. of the RSA Journal? for what its worth, I dont shoot it often enough, but my modern 870 Tactical has been flawless. barrel were added to the Express line. But again, if anyone knows if the police issued Police Model has a different material or thickness for the receiver and if it is coated differently? Is there a TTAG BPS review? It was run over length wise in the mud and gravel of a 2001 silverado ext cab. There. Remington introduced the 20 gauge Lightweight Model 870 in both No Nathan, a local FFL07/SOT02 made them. Parts listed here are specific to the Remington Model 870 shotgun chambered in 12/16/20/28 gauge or .410 bore unless noted otherwise. It has 00 buck in the tube and a mix of slugs / 00 buck in the shell holder. My admittedly sketchy and incomplete information suggests that the Remington name was purchased out of bankruptcy by Vista Outdoor, who then split the name into two separate subsidiaries, Remington Ammunition and Remington Arms. Keltec KSG That is all the testiment I need as to there reliability and durability. rifled cantilevered, 20 gauge gun. For less than $450, you can get a good pump-action shotgun, but inside of that realm of affordable pump-action, the Remington reigns supreme. These had a special receiver decoration and 32-inch, full-choke The finish is garbage and the machining spotty. So sad with my first Remington bought for HD. Its the same finish on the high dollar $800 Magpul Edition. sights. Oh, okay, so the Remington 870 is pretty good? the fully rifled Model 870 SPS with cantilever scope The 20 ga. is fairly light and shoots a good pattern, its a full choke model from the 70s, and is an excellent gun for birds, and tree rat hunting. Also a Model 870 SPS-T Synthetic Camo Sorry to tell you this but the Nova isnt a true Bennelli, its Bennelli branded but made in Turkey( run down to your local gun shop and seeththe cheaper off brand shot guns imported from Turkey -they are aldo designed just like the Nova, with that weird looking oversized front sight!). 20 ga., 28 ga. and .410 bore. introduced the Model 870 SP Special Purpose Magnum gun Rock Island Auction Company. Anniversary Edition Shotgun. Buckshot rounds and slugs extracted without problems, but cheap Winchester field loads appeared to be made of softer plastic and/or thinner metal at the case heads and stuck very tightly in the chamber until it smoothed up. Remington 870 Deer Gun. There is an 870 for everyone who needs a shotgun. Or are you joking? also introduced the Model 870 SP Cantilever Scope Mount Deer And then well see if they still work. Remington called it the Wingmaster. Let us know in the comments below. Shotguns can be swapped between various configurations with ease and put into various roles in half a heartbeat. Its so enjoyable that it feels like it should be fattening. The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for statistical purposes. Drilled and tapped receiver for scope mount. I recommend buying a Remington 870 Ive never had one issue with them. I had no issues this time. 870 Express Turkey Camo gun and a Model 870 Express Um, Im not sure if youre thinking of the same 870 that Im thinking of. Product Family #: 1601735304. This particular model doesnt have much of a recoil pad on it, so Ill probably use the slip on buttpad I bought for my 30/30 Marlin, my shoulder was sore after the 2 circuits. Over the next three years 1,503 pairs would be sold. 870 Express Combos with 26-inch The forend of the scattergun is a minimalist design, using a rough textured plastic as the sole ingredient. But better than something that doesnt shoot good. Initially, I was looking for an all around shotgun like I carried in the military and in Vietnam. The Choate Tool Remington 870 20 Ga Side Folding Stock for 20Ga. Reliability and functioning under the most adverse conditions are the necessarys of a tool of war. differs from the standard Model 870 line only in exterior A mossberg 590 or a high quality rem 870 is nicer. Our 870 and a Mossberg 500 purchased at the same time, with the same round count on it, are currently lightly salted and sitting in a field somewhere in Texas. There are a ton of options for Remington 870 upgrades on the market. While hunting, he asked his hunting buddies for their recommendations for a 12 gauge for home defense, range, and hunting. My low tech Mossberg Maverick 88 pump has proven to be reliable. both with 21-inch RemChoke barrels. Win SupX foster slugs kill even big White-Tails quickly & a bit past 100yds (I dont need a Griz gun). Gotta keep these guys honest! 20-inch super full choke barrel and RemChoke, and Truglo Sponsored. Only complaint was having to sand down the magazine dimples in order to make it accept an extended magazine. $16.78. introduced a new Mossy Oak Break-Up Pattern on the Model 870 Numerous sandhill cranes near Seminole and Snyder have been harvested. Remington 870 Express Compact 20 Gauge Shotgun with Pink Camo Stock $449.00 $369.99; Brand: Remington; Item Number: 81150; Remington 870 Express Tactical 20GA 18.5 inch Pump-Action Shotgun with Knoxx Specops $554.85 $350.00; Brand: Remington; Item Number: 81180; Remington 11-87 Sportsman 20 Gauge Semi-Automatic Shotgun . In a few weeks well transfer them to the bottom of a lake for a while, drop them from an airplane, and then blow them up. Reduced recoil tactical buckshot wont leave a bruise, but 1-ounce slugs at 1,600 feet per second might rattle some teeth. Being of relatively new manufacture, the components are of higher quality materials than even existed when the gun was first introduced. anything extra and your If you want to know everything about how to fix 870s get the book The Remington M870 & M1100/M11-87 Shotguns A Shop Manual by famous gunsmith Jerry Kuhnhausen from gunbooks dot com. I am trying to decide whether to purchase the Remington 870 or the Mossberg. Just screw in the right choke for the right sport. Props to TTAG for posting an unbiased review of a product from a company who hasnt been too happy with TTAG in the past. So a BPS is not great for clay bird competitions or for a combat reload. Also you shouldnt disassemble a BPS unless you are mechanically inclined see youtube videos on this. barrels. Remington 870s give you the smoothest action, a steel receiver, a reliable design, a great bead sight, and plenty of modularity. I took the gun apart, cleaned it and put it back together and both issues were still happening. Id say 3 out of thousands is about as good as youll ever get, People like to raise a little sand over Mossbergs appearance, and attach too much significance to its low price. The tang safety is great now because of a cataract I have to shoot left handed much easier with Mossberg. The shop swapped out the pistol grip for a standard stock. In California, an AOW or a C&R SBS/SBR are the only NFA items we are allowed unless we sell to law enforcement/military or are an armorer to movie studios. The forend could use some of those softer grippy panels, but otherwise he 870 is a downright comfortable scattergun. Please do some research and real tests and then write to the masses I guess you missed the test where the mossberg was adopted by the marine corps etc and remington literally refused to compete against mossberg in the military trials screw remington i had one and a friend had one and they dont like to eject properly literally never ever an issue in many many years and many many mossbergs it feels better isnt even an article who let you write????? ****Q: Are the newer 870s as protected as the older ones with the same finish? i still want a 336 in .35. The only change from the pic is that I have an Aimpoint CompM2 on it now. improved cylinder, modified, and full chokes. 4. The aftermarket for accessories is enormous, putting most other shotguns to shame. I have heard that the newer remington guns, and that the model 870 express guns are junk. Ill have some popcorn. It was fixed by bending the load gate. WE MADE THE RULES, MOTHERTRUCKER! conversion time is about 20 minutes. Compared to a Mossberg 500, for example, the gun is head-and-shoulders above the competition. Stoeger Longfowler 20 Gauge Over/Under Shotgun with A-Grade Satin Walnut Stock. For the money a maverick (mossberg) 88 is the best shotgun you can buy. So seeing the opportunity to fill a hole in our repertoire, as well as an opportunity to find out if Freedom Group had managed to ruin yet another iconic American firearm, we bought one from an online retailer and tested it out. Yet this remarkable shotgun has been around for more than half a century, and has become the best-selling shotgun of any type in history, with over 11 million made. introduced the new RemChoke system (with The 870 you bought looks very much like the 870P (for police). Ive always wanted an 870. 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