The master had a bell to ring every morning at four o'clock for the folks to turn out. Dey only had two families of slaves wid about twenty in all, and dey only worked about fifty acres, so we sure did work every foot of it good. Thompson, mixed blood Cherokee Indian, but before that pappy had been owned by three different master; one was the Rich Joe Vann who lived down at Webber Falls and another was Chief Lowery of the Cherokees. After everything quiet down and everything was just right, we come back to territory second time. My uncle belong to old Captain Joe nearly all his life. Old Master Joe had a big steam boat he called the Lucy Walker, and he run it up and down the Arkansas and the Mississippi and the Ohio river, old Mistress say. He was a Cherokee leader who owned Diamond Hill (now known as the Chief Vann House), many slaves, taverns, and steamboats that he operated on the Arkansas, Mississippi, Ohio, and Tennessee Rivers. Joseph H. Vann was born at Spring Place, Georgia on February 11, 1798. After we got our presents we go way anywhere and visit colored folks on other plantation. She turned the key to the commissary too. I sure did love her. Lord, Yes! Someone rattled the bones. Birth 1798 - Spring Place, Murray County, Georgia, United States of America Death 26 Oct. 1844 - Louisville, Jefferson, Kentucky, USA Mother Nancy Agnes Brown Timberlake Father Chief James Clement Vann Quick access Family tree New search Joseph "Rich Joe" Vann family tree Family tree Explore more family trees Parents Chief James Clement Vann One year later my sister Phyllis was born on the same place and we been together pretty much of the time ever since, and I reckon dere's only one thing that could separate us slave born children. When we git to Fort Gibson they was a lot of Negroes there, and they had a camp meeting and I was baptised. He had run off after he was sold and joined de North army and discharged at Fort Scoot in Kansas, and he said lots of freedmen was living close to each other up by Coffeyville in the Coo-ee-scoo-wee District. There was a house yonder where was dry clothes, blankets, everything. Joseph Harold Vann, born 31 May 1920 in Canton Texas, passed away on 24 December 2003 in Fort Worth Texas. After the assassination of James Vann in 1809, his will left all of his very large estate to only one of his children, Joseph Vann (thereafter known as "Rich Joe.").However, the National Council of Chiefs decided to annul Vann's Will and to provide additional shares for the other children: Mary Vann, Robert Vann, Lilly [Delilah Amelia] Vann, We all come back to de old place and find de negro cabins and barns burned down and de fences all gone and de field in crab grass and cockleburs. [Note from curator: these slave narratives are not under copyright]. Yes I was! You see, I'se one of them sudden cases. You see, I'se one of them sudden cases. Young Master Vann never very hard on us and he never whupped us, and ole Mistress was a widow woman and a good Christian and always kind. Mother Martha Price McNair (Vann) Father David Lewis "Jesse" "Cherokee Chief""Iron Head" Vann (Killed by Pin Indians in Civil War) Quick access. Some officers stayed in de house for a while and tore everything up or took it off. She won me lots of money, Black Hock did, and I kept it in the Savings Bank in Tahlequah. Trusted by millions of genealogists since 2003. . Yes Lord Yes. Old mistress was small and mighty pretty too, and she was only half Cherokee. We had fine satin dresses, great big combs for our hair, great big gold locket, double earrings we never wore cotton except when we worked. Sometimes I eat my bread this morning none this evening. Everything was fine, Lord have mercy on me, yes. I'm glad the War's over and I am free to meet God like anybody else, and my grandchildren can learn to read and write. I always pick a whole passel of muscadines for old Master and he make up sour wine, and dat helps out when we git the bowel complaint from eating dat fresh pork. Someone call our names and everybody get a present. The women dressed in whtie, if they had a white dress to wear. Marster and missus never allowed chillun to meddle in the big folks business. Morris Sheppard was owned by a Cherokee named Joe Sheppard. I raised eleven children just on de sweat of my hands and none of dem ever tasted anything dat was stole. Dere was a sister named Patsy; she died at Wagoner, Oklahoma. He went clean to Louisville, Kentucky and back. Robin Vann and Unknown 14 year old in 1809 Vann less. She had belonged to Joe Hildebrand and he was kin to old Steve Hildebrand dat owned de mill on Flint Creek up in de Going Snake District. Father of Nancy Vann; David Vann; Sallie Blackburn Vore; William Vann; Sophia S. Johnson and 9 others; Charles J. Vann; Delilah Amelia Brewer; Joseph W. Vann; Jane Elizabeth Vann; James Springston Vann; Mary Frances Vann; John Shepherd Vann, Sr.; Henry Clay Vann and Minerva Vann less The low class work in the fields. I been a good Christian ever since I was baptised, but I keep a little charm here on my neck anyways, to keep me from having the nose bleed. There was five hundred slaves on that plantation and nobody ever lacked for nothing. They had a big big plantation down by the river and they was rich. We take a big pot to fry fish in and we'd all eat till we nearly bust. Seem like it take a powerful lot of fighting to rid the country of them Rebs. When the white folks danced the slaves would all sit or stand around and watch. Correction Note: The preceding comments by the interviewer incorrectly depicts the relationship between the family members. After the Removal, Joseph Vann was chosen the first Assistant Chief of the united Cherokee Nation under the new 1839 Constitution that was created in Indian Territory (Oklahoma), serving with Principal Chief John Ross. They had fine furniture that Marster Vann had brought home in a steamboat from far away. She won me lots of money, Black Hock did, and I kept it in the Savings Bank in Tahlequah. Indians wouldn't allow their slaves to take their husband's name. My mother Betsy Vann, worked in the big house for the missus. Mammy say they was lots of excitement on old Masters place and all the Negroes mighty scared, but he didnt sell my pappy off. He jest kept him and he was a good negro after that. Master Jim and Missus Jennie was good to their slaves. When Marster Jim and Missus Jennie went away, the slaves would have a big dance in the arbor. When the War come they have a big battle away west of us, but I never see any battles. I would have to go tromp seven miles to Mr. Scott's house two or three times a week to bring back some old peafowl dat had got out and gone back to de old place! The engineer's name was Jim Vann. 1907 d. 1919 Chicago/Cicero, Ill. Theresa Marchese (Valentino) b. He was accidentally killed in the explosion of one of his boats, the "Lucy Walker" which was blown up near Louisville, Kentucky on October 26, 1844. The young, single girls lived with the old folks in another big long house. Pappa got the soldier fever from being in the War; no, I don't mean like the chills and fever, but just a fever to be in the army, I guess for he joined the regular U.S. Army after a while, serving five years in the 10th Cavalry at Fort Sill during the same time John Adair of Tahelquah and John Gallagher of Muskogee was in the army. They was so many of us for dat little field we never did have to work hard. Sometimes there was high waters that spoiled the current and the steamboast could't run. Poeple all a visitin'. Don't know much about him. When meal time come, someone ring that bell and all the slaves know its time to eat and stop their work. *Family traveled to America Dec. 21, 1904 with mother, Maria Cairo and 2 sons, Luigi and Francesco, Michele Marchese b. We was too tired when we come in to play any games. He had to work on the boat, though, and never got to come home but once in a long while. They get something they need too. Mr. Reese had a big flock of peafowls dat had belonged to Mr. Scott and I had to take care of demWhitefolks. I go to this house, you come to my house. After several days of pursuit, the Indians caught up with the escaped slaves and a heated battle inflicted casualties on both sides. Yes Lord Yes. The slaves had a pretty easy time I think. Well, I go ahead, and make me a crop of corn all by myself and then I don't know what to do wid it. I had two brothers, Silas and George, dat belong to Mr. George Holt in Webber's falls town. Couldn't nobody go there, less they turn the key. Some 3,500 interviews were conducted. Person Interviewed: Betty Robertson Location: Fort Gibson, Oklahoma Age: 93 I was born close to Webbers Falls, in the Canadian District of the Cherokee Nation, in the same year that my pappy was blowed up and killed in the big boat accident that killed my old Master. In reply to: genealogy of Chief James. I never would hear much about the war that my father was in, but I know he fought for the North. There Vann constructed a replica of his lost Georgia mansion. He had black eyes and mustache but his hair was iron gray, and everybody like him because he was so good natured and kind. Lots of soldiers around all the time though. He owned 110 slaves and on his plantation there were thirty-five houses, a mill and a ferry boat. Some had been in a big run-away and had been brung back, and wasnt so good, so he keep them on the boat all the time mostly. Christmas lasted a whole month. I don't remember much about my pappy's mother; but I remember she would milk for a man named Columbus Balreade and she went to prayer meeting every Wednesday night. Mammy was the house girl and she weaved the cloth and my Aunt Tilda dyed the cloth with indigo, leaving her hands blue looking most of the time. I had the money Black Hock had won on the track. We was at dat place two years and made two little crops. Old Master bought de cotton in Ft. Smith, because he didn't raise no cotton, but he had a few sheep and we had wool mix for winter. Yes Sa. Yes, my dear Lord yes. He was a British interpreter for the Cherokees at Fort Loudoun (S.C.) in 1758 and at Augusta in 1763, and continued to fill that position at the 1770 treaty negotiations. When the Indians decided to return home for reinforcements, the slaves started moving again toward Mexico. Joseph Vann, the husband of Wah li was probably born 1735-1740. Perdue, Theda, "The Conflict Within: The Cherokee Power Structure and Removal," Georgia Historical Quarterly, 73 (Fall, 1989), pp. My mother saw it but the colored chillun' couldn't. It's on records somewhere; old Seneca Chism and his family. My uncle used to baptize 'em. Den I went to a subscription school for a little while, but didn't get much learning. Sometims just white folks danced; sometimes just the black folks. Dat was de time dat was the hardest and everything was dark and confusion. Young Joseph was his father's favorite child and primary recipient of his father's estate and wealth. Old Master and Mistress kept on asking me did de night riders persecute me any but dey never did. I don't know how old I is; some folks say I'se ninety-two and some say I must be a hundred. They wanted everybody to know we was Marster Vann's slaves. A brother was owned by another Vann Family in Tahlequah. All the Vann marsters was good looking. After the old time rich folks die, them that had their money buried, they com back and haunt the places where it is. My brothers was name Sone and Frank. My missus name was Doublehead before she married Jim Vann. He jest kept him and he was a good Negro after that. Had sacks and sacks of money. Lord yes su-er. Some niggers say my pappy kept hollering, Rum it to the bank! After we got our presents we go way anywhere and visit colored folks on other plantation. Our marshal made us all sign up like this; who are you, where you come from, where you go to. They'd come to the door like this, "sh.." and go out quick again. I'm gonna give Lucy this black mare. Dere come six children; Charley, Alec, Laura, Harry Richard and Jeffy, who waS named after Jefferson Davis. Dey was for bad winter only. Some had been in a big run-away and had been brung back, and wasn't so good, so he keep them on the boat all the time mostly. Somehow or other they all took a liking to me, all through the family. Sometimes she pull my hair. Everybody was happy. They never sent us anywhere with a cotton dress. He got that message to the captain just the same. I was afraid I would get cheated out of it cause I can't figure and read, so I tell old Master about it and he bought it off'n me. I don't remember old Mistress name. Actually, the Assistant Principal Chief was Joseph "Tenulte" Vann, son of Avery Vann and probably a cousin of "Rich Joe" Vann. The big House was a double log wid a big hall and a stone chimney but no porches, wid two rooms at each end, one top side of de other. Meanwhile, the Cherokees had presented their news of the slave revolt to the Cherokee National Council at the capital, Tahlequah, and gained approval for a Cherokee Militia unit to pursue, arrest, and deliver the fugitive slaves to Fort Gibson. There was big parties and dances. Young, Mary., "The Cherokee Nation: Mirror of the Republic", (American Quarterly), Vol. Run it to the bank! but it sunk and him and old Master died. He never come until the next day, so dey had to sleep in dat pen in a pile like hogs. Everybody had fine clothes everybody had plenty to eat. My marster and missus buried their money and valuables everywhere. Joseph Rich Joe Vann (Joseph Rich Joe /"Big Joe" and /"Teautle"//) Born 11 February 1798 - Spring Place, Cherokee Nation-East, IT., GA. Deceased 23 October 1844 - Aboard the Lucy Walker,aged 46 years old Parents James Vann, Chief 1809 Nancy Ann Timberlake Brown 1780-1850 Spouses and children He was the father of Nancy Vann Mackey; and Delilah Amelia, wife of Oliver H. Perry Brewer (Brewer cemetery). Their slaves also helped build the nearby Moravian mission and school in Spring Place. 467-91. His pappy was old Captain "Rich Joe" Vann, and he had been dead ever since long before de War. MLA Source Citation: AccessGenealogy.com. He had to work on the boat, though, and never got to come home but once in a long while. We settled down a little ways above Fort Gibson. Marster had a little race horse called "Black Hock" She was all jet black, excepting three white feet and her stump of a tail. If someone they didn't want to have it try to dig it up, money sink down, down deep in the ground where they couldn't get it. Pretty soon everybody commenced a singing and a prayin'. Hams cakes, pies, dresses, beads, everything. That mean't she want a biscuit with a little butter on it. Missus Jenni lived in a big house in Webbers Falls. 61 (Spring, 1983). One and a half years after the war we all come back to the old plantation. He was a Cherokee leader who owned Diamond Hill (now known as the Chief Vann House), many slaves, taverns, and steamboats that he operated on the Arkansas, Mississippi, Ohio, and Tennessee Rivers. Records may include photos, original documents, family history, relatives, specific dates, locations and full names. When anybody die, someone sit up with them day and night till they put them in the ground. Chief James Clement Vann married Mary Margaret "Peggy" Scott and had 14 children. It was tied up at de dock at Webbers Falls about a week and we went down and talked to my aunt an brothers and sister. This was before the war. Marster had a little race horse called "Black Hock" She was all jet black, excepting three white feet and her stump of a tail. He and Master took race horses down the river, away off and they'd come back with sacks of money that them horses won in the races. She was weavin when the case came up so quick, missus Jennie put her in her own bed and took care of her. Dey would come up in a bunch of about nine men on horses and look at all our passes, and if a negro didn't have no pass dey wore him out good and made him go home. Oh the news traveled up and down the river. Soon as you come out of the water you go over there and change clothes. I remember when the steamboats went up and down the river. They tell us what was happening and what to do. The following oral history narrative is from the The WPA Oklahoma Slave Narratives in the Library of Congress, edited by T. Lindsay Baker, Julie Philips Baker: Yes Sa. Master Thompson brought us from Texas when I was too little to remember about it, and I din't know how long it was before we was all sold to John Harnage, "Marse John" was his pet name and he liked to be called that-a-way. Do you know what I am going to do? Of course, all slaves were officially freed during the Civil War. Any information would be valuable. The Cherokees living in the southeastern United States copied many of the traditions and practices of their white neighborsincluding the ownership of fellow humans as slaves. There was seats all around for folks to watch them dance. I had a brother named Harry who belonged to the Vann family at Tahlequah. I would stay around about a week and help em and dey would try to git me to take something but I never would. One night a runaway negro come across form Texas and he had de blood hounds after him. Yes Lord yes. That was sort of vault, where the family valuables was kept. There was Mr. Jim Collins, and Mr. Bell, and Mr. Dave Franklin, and Mr. Jim Sutton and Mr. Blackburn that lived around close to us and dey all had slaves. The colored folks did most of the fiddlin'. when a guy asks how you're feeling; should i remove him from social media; artisan homes marsh view; who was the opera singer in moonstruck; what happened to sophie stuckey The slaves of the Creeks also joined those of the Cherokees and the band set out for Mexico. Pappy wanted to go back to his mother when the War was over the slaves was freed. One of the Six Killer women was mighty good to us and we called her "mammy", that a long time after my mammy die though. Old Master Joe was a big man in the Cherokees, I hear, and was good to his Negroes before I was born. The commissary was full of everything good to eat. We had a good song I remember. Young Master Joe let us have singing and be baptized if we want to, but I wasn't baptized till after the War. The following year, Joseph Vann and several of his black rebels died in the explosion of his steamboat Lucy Walker during a race on the Ohio River. Source: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lpproots/Neeley/cvann.htm [3] Lucy Walker steamboat disaster, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_Walker_steamboat_disaster [1]. I lost my land trying to live honest and pay my debts. Chiefs: Dragging Canoe (1777-1792) John Watts (1792-1802) Doublehead, brother of Old Tassel, served from 1802-1807 The Glass, or Ta'gwadihi (1807-1809) Cherokee Nation East (1794-1839) John Ross, c. 1866 Little Turkey was elected First Beloved Man of the . Mammy died in Texas, and when we left Rusk County after the Civil War, pappy took us children to the graveyard. See other search results for Chief Joseph David VANN Ready to discover your family story? When de War come old Master seen he was going into trouble and he sold off most of de slaves. Born in Cherokee, Chowan, North Carolina, United States on 1690 to Holesqua Chief Cornstalk Vann and Sarah Ann Champion. He born at Spring Place, Georgia on February 11, 1798. That meant she want a biscuit with a little butter on it. Some of these slaves served as crew members of Vann's steamboat, a namesake of his favorite race horse "Lucy Walker". There wasn't nothing left. Her master was white, but he had married into de Nation and so she got a freedmen's allotment too. After supper the colored folks would get together and talk, and sing, and dance. In one month you have to get back. He courted a girl named Sally. Now I'se just old forgotten woman. I never did see my daddy excepting when I was a baby and I only know what my mammy told me about him. I remember when the steamboats went up and down the river. We had bonnets that had long silk tassels for ties. The cooks would bake hams, turkey cakes and pies and there'd be lots to eat and lots of whiskey for the men folks. His parents Peggy Scott Vann and James Vann were both Cherokee of mixed-blood. They taken some of their slaves with them. She come up and put her nose on your just like this---nibble nibble, nibble. Yes, Lord Yes. He died early in 1771, and was replaced by John Vann. After a bloody fracas in 1834, Colonel W. N. Bishop established his brother, Absolom Bishop, on the premises and Joseph Vann with his family was driven out to seek shelter over the state line in Tennessee. Although Joseph Vann's body was never found, slave Lucinda Vann revealed that one of his arms had been found, positively identified, and taken to Vann's home at Webbers Falls, Oklahoma, where it was preserved for many years. Perhaps because they had observed the prosperity so often achieved by slave-holding whites, Indians of mixed-blood were more apt to own slaves. You know just what day you have to be back too. Joseph also inherited his father's gold and deposited over $200,000 in gold in a bank in Tennessee. In de second year of de War he sold my mammy and my aunt dat was Uncle Joe's wife and my two brothers and my little sister. Mammy had the wagon and two oxen and we worked a good size patch there until she died, and then I git married to Cal Robertson to have somebody to take care of me. 502-524. A whole half of ribs sold for twenty-five cents. Little hog, big hog, didn't make no difference. A doctor put it in alcohol and they kept it a long time. One day young Master come to the cabins and say we all free and cant' stay there lessn we want to go on working for him just like we'd been for our feed, an clothes. We take a big pot to fry fish in and we'd all eat till we nearly bust. Historical records and family trees related to Cherokee Vann. I had me a good blaze-faced horse for dat. The colored folks did most of the fiddlin'. Joseph H. Vann, (11 February 1798 - 23 October 1844). Master Joe was sure a good provider, and we always had plenty of corn pone, sow belly and greens, sweet potatoes, cowpeas and cane molasses. Just 'bout two weeks before the coming of Christmas Day in 1853, I was born on a plantation somewheres eight miles east of Bellview, Rusk County, Texas. We never had no church in slavery, and no schooling, and you had better not be caught wid a book in your hand even, so I never did go to church hardly any. My mother Betsy Vann, worked in the big house for the missus. He sold one of my brothers and one sister because they kept running off. In one month you have to get back. The Chief Vann House, . We had a good song I remember. Next came the carpenters, yard men, blacksmiths, race-horse men, steamboat men and like that. She bossed all the other colored women and see that they sew it right. However, the following narrative by the ex-slave, Cornelius Neely Nave, contains correct family relationships. In 1837 ptior to the main Cherokee Removal, he transported a few hundred Cherokee men, women, children, slaves and horses aboard a flotilla of flat boats to Webber's Falls on the Arkansas River in Indian Territory. I'd like to go where we used to have picnics down below Webbers Falls. Them Pins was after Master all de time for a while at de first of de War, and he was afraid to ride into Ft. Smith much. It was in the Grand River close to the ford, and winter time. He had charge of all Master Chism's and Master Vann's race horses. How did they hear about it at home? Everybody laugh and was happy. I been a good Christian ever since I was baptized, but I keep a little charm here on my neck anyways to keep me from having the nose bleed. Florence Smith was my first wife and Ida Vann the second. When he get home he call my uncle and ask about what we done all day and tell him what we better do de next day. This valuable property became a prize for the white man when the laws of Georgia were extended over the Cherokee Nation. His grandfather was Clement Vann, a Scottish trader who moved from Charleston, South Carolina, to the Cherokee lands in northwest Georgia and married Wa-wli, a Cherokee Indian. My father was a carpenter and blacksmith as well as race-horse man and he wanted to make money. The white folks go first and after they come out, the colored folks go in. Mistress say old Master and my pappy on the boat somewhere close to Louisville and the boiler bust and tear the boat up. Old Mistress had a good cookin stove, but most Cherokees had only a big fireplace and pot hooks. I got all the clothes I need from old Mistress, and in winter I had high top shoes with brass caps on the toe. My missus name was Doublehead before she married Jim Vann. Clarinda Vann and my aunt Maria turned the keys to the vault and commissary. She had some land close to Catoosa and some down on Greenleaf Creek. Everybody, white folks and colored folks, having good itme. Everything was fine, Lord have mercy on me, yes. Chief Joseph David VANNfamily tree Parents John Joseph 'Indian Trader' Cherokee Vann 1735- 1815 Waw Li Otterlifter 1750- 1835 Wrong Chief Joseph David VANN? Cal Robertson was eighty-nine years old when I married him forty years age, right on this porch. I'se born across the river in the plantation of old Jim Vann in Webbers Falls. I had a silver dine on it, too, for a long time, but I took it off and got me a box of snuff. The first time I married was to Clara Nevens, and I wore checked wool pants, and a blue striped cotton shirt. Joseph Vann, son of Chief Joseph Vann and his wife Margaret Scott Vann, married first, Jennie Springton, born December 23, 1804, died August 4, 1863. Den old Master get three wagons and ox teams and take us all way down on Red River in de Choctaw Nation. He was a multi-millionaire and handsome. Nothing is known of Bryan (t) Ward's ancestry and except for the one son his white family is uncertain. After it was wove they dyed it all colors, blue, brown, purple, red, yellow. Although he was born after slavery had ended, Nave's remembrances of what his father had told him about slavery days include some interesting details. But de Big House ain't hurt cepting it need a new roof. My pappy run away one time, four or five years before I was born, mammy tell me, and at that time a whole lot of Cherokee slaves run off at once. Pappy worked around the farms and fiddled for the Cherokee dances. Then up come de man from Texas with de hounds and wid him was young Mr. Joe Vann and my uncle that belong to young Joe. 502-524. My grandmother Clarinda Vann, bossed the kitchen and the washing and turned the key to the big bank. One day young Master come to the cabins and say we all free and cant stay there lessn we want to go on working for him just like wed been, for our feed and clothes. He used to take us to where Hyge Park is and we'd all go fishin'. He would tell em plain before hand, "Now no trouble." Seneca Chism was my father. 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